ISIS says Islam justifies slavery - what does Islamic law say?
Professor Bernard Freamon teaches courses on modern-day slavery and human trafficking at Seton Hall University School of Law in New Jersey and also specializes in Islamic Legal History. He is currently writing a book, “Islam, Slavery and Empire in the Indian Ocean World.” The views in this article are his alone.
In the past few months, the world has witnessed horrific accounts of the enslavement of thousands of innocent Yazidis and other religious minorities by ISIS partisans in Iraq and Syria.
In a recent article in its online English-language magazine, ISIS ideologues offered legal justifications for the enslavement of these non-Muslim non-combatants, stating that “enslaving the families of the kuffar [infidels] and taking their women as concubines is a firmly established aspect of the Shariah or Islamic law.”
The article argues, based on a variety of Shariah sources, that ISIS partisans have a religious duty to kill or enslave members of the Yazidi community as part of their struggle [jihad] against their enemies.
This argument is plainly wrong, hypocritical and astonishingly ahistorical, relying on male fantasies inspired by stories from the days of imperial Islam.
It is also an affront to right-thinking Muslims everywhere and a criminal perversion of Islamic law, particularly its primary source, the Glorious Quran.
Jurists around the world acknowledge that there is now a universal consensus recognizing an irrefutable human right to be free from slavery and slave-trading.
This right, like the rights to be free from genocide, torture, racial discrimination and piracy, has become a bedrock principle of human affairs. ISIS seeks to remove Islamic jurisprudence from this universal consensus by citing Quranic verses that recognize the existence of chattel slavery.
Citation to Quranic verses on chattel slavery at first blush seems to make this point because the Quran, like other religious texts, accepted the existence of chattel slavery as a fact of life at the time of its revelation.
It is also true, however, that the Quran established an entirely new ethic on the issue of slavery and ISIS’s selective use of certain Quranic texts to justify contemporary chattel slavery ignores this fact.
First, consistent with the new ethic, the emphasis in all of the revelations on slavery is on the emancipation of slaves, not on their capture or the continuation of the institution of slavery. (See, for example, verses 2:177, 4:25, 4:92, 5:89, 14:31, 24:33, 58:3, 90:1-12.)
There is not one single verse suggesting that the practice should continue. Further, the Quran makes no mention of slave-markets or slave-trading and it repeatedly exhorts believers to free their slaves as an exemplification of their piety and belief in God.
Perhaps the best example of this emancipatory ethic is chapter 90, which is explicitly addressed to the Prophet Muhammad. It posits that there are two roads one can take in life and that the “high road” is the one that leads the righteous human being to free slaves.
The Prophet followed this exhortation, exhibiting a great solicitude for the material and spiritual condition of the slaves in the society around him. His example inspired his companions to emancipate thousands of slaves and, in an oft-quoted statement, he remarked that he would meet the man who “sells a free man as a slave and devours his price” on Judgment Day.
This is an explicit condemnation of trafficking in free human beings.
It is true that there are reported examples from the Prophet’s life that describe him as giving and receiving slaves and he even used slavery as a tool of conquest in war.
He freed all of his individually owned slaves and the wartime circumstances in those reports were very unique, involving specific people who engaged in war or treachery against him.
There is only one Quranic verse, 47:4, that authorizes capture of prisoners of war and it does not permit slavery, ordering military commanders to either free the prisoners gratis or hold them for ransom.
Enslaving a prisoner of war is therefore arguably illegal and certainly enslaving a non-combatant is likewise an Islamic crime.
Many forget that, for hundreds of years, Muslim imperialists and slave-traders illegally raided non-combatant villages in Eastern Europe, West Africa, East Africa, India and Southeast Asia, plundering, pillaging and capturing and raping women and children with impunity under pretextual jihads.
It seems that the ISIS ideologues want to revive this shameful legacy.
Traditionalist interpreters conclude that slavery is lawful in Islam simply because there is Quranic legislation regulating it, suggesting an implied permission.
Even the traditionalists must acknowledge, however, that all of the Quranic verses on slavery arise in contexts that overwhelmingly encourage emancipation.
Why is this? It is because the Quranic intendment contemplated a gradual disappearance of chattel slavery.
This is exactly what has happened in history. ISIS refers to the disappearance of chattel slavery in the Muslim world as an “abandonment” of the Shariah.
This is wrong. Rather, the verses contemplate the advent of a slavery-free society through the vehicle of emancipation.
There is another verse in the Quran, 3:64, that interpreters have argued may actually be explicit authority for abolition.
It condemns any “person of the book” who seeks lordship over another human being. Sayyid Qutb, the Sunni theologian and commentator on the Quran who is widely admired by literalists and traditionalists like the ISIS ideologues, offered extensive commentary on this verse in his masterful work, Fi Zilal al-Quran ("In the Shade of the Quran").
Commenting on the verse, he observed that enslaving human beings, like Pharaoh enslaved the Hebrews, is the “worst type of corruption.”
He argued that the verse aims to make sure that “none is elevated above another,” that “none enslaves another,” and that human beings “do not enslave one another.”
He posits that Islam is “total liberation of man from enslavement by others.” A number of other prominent jurists have agreed with this position.
Recently, a number of well-respected Muslim jurists and opinion-makers directed a letter to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, covering a number of issues.
On the issue of slavery, they observed that “[n]o scholar of Islam disputes that one of Islam’s aims is to abolish slavery” and that there has been a Muslim consensus on the prohibition of slavery for over a century.
This opinion further supports the conclusion that ISIS has wrongfully enslaved the Yazidis and others.
All right-thinking Muslims should condemn it for these acts and work to free all those who are enslaved.
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slavery, violence, terrorism and massacre/murder are the works of Islam
Well said! All muslims are terrorists and Islam's end is near. Kick out all of those Pakis, Indians. Nepalis, Bangladeshis, and Srilankans now. Pakis are the worst!
Of course you jest!? Or you're so brainwashed you don't realize how wrong you are...
So it was muslims who crucified Jesus,right! so it was terrorist muslims who did put Jesus to death by nailing hands and feet to a cross right.shame on you. hypocrite! listen man no venomous propaganda no insult to islam and muslims will tarnish the real image of Islam.it has come to stay till the day of dooms.you are a sick man.
No it is not.
33:50 "O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war."
Pretty much disproves the author's claims, doesn't it?
Of course, the Bible not only condones slavery but also encourages slaves to obey their masters. God's word.
A GOLD star for you, Lenny! And the South quoted this scripture quite a bit a few hundred years ago...
These are the works of man. God or islam have nothing to do with this, This is purely the sins of man. False faith is simply a tool religion uses to enslave the ignorant. They are just as guilty of enslaving their own people through false doctrine, as they are of enslaving the "non-believers" they are all non believers themselves, they are simply cowards who use god as a scapegoat. This is true in ALL religion.
take a good look at Satan, he wears a robe and preaches hate in the name of that which he hates the most......god.
have you read the Quran, i don't think so, you didn't even read the whole article what a shame, then you are no different from ISIS because they don't about just like you. i am muslim practice islam i could make mistakes but Islam is perfect like it or not, by the way i don't hate at all, hate for ignorant people just like ISIS and they don't represent Islam.
Cant agree with you more.
http://quran.com/33 – There are 6 different translations on the left of the page...READ ALL OF THEM!
THIS WAS A HEAVENLY REVELATION TO THE PROPHET MOHAMMED IN MEDINA
Surat Al-'Aĥzāb 33:50 (YUSUF ALI version):
50) O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Yes, Muhammad took slaves from captives from his many jihads and he allowed his warriors to do the same. This professor is lying through his teeth. Anything that Muhammad did is okay by Muslims because Muhammad is considered to be the perfect man for Muslims to emulate. Go to the Jihad Watch site for more on this topic.
You all jerks. Religions are the root of all wars ever since. They used the context of what was written in the testament as they will claim in scroll, bible and koran to justify their wrong deeds. If you truly believed in God, you should respect every human being as you're both created equal by the Creator.
Khalif Abu Baker Al Bagdadi is a PHD in ISLAMIC Studies from a top Muslim University. Professor Bernard Freamon is one of those guys like OBAMA who says ISLAM is Peace.
Learn the history of ISLAM properly before your write all this nonsense. What did Mohammad do when he went to war. How did he treat the people of Khyber. Bagdadi is just following everything to the letter.
This is paid news.
Muslims Propaganda.
Because of people like this Professor Bernard Freamon Jihad goes on on one side and Muslims are safe on the other.
Professor Bernard Freamon is like the Hollywood stars how say America is bad and ISIS is good.
this is the picture that they showed to us. look for Qur'an to finding truth . Isis or any group like that are not Muslim.islam means goodness ,brotherhood,love ,respect to each other.respect to ourselves. look Qur'an. just that.
Jesus was an egotheist and a messiah pretendant. He knows what might happen to him. He played and lost. Those people are innocent enslaved by assassins believing taht the creator learnt arabs in oder to turn the crimes into a religion
This is just politics hidden under the veil of religion. Same as it was during the inquisition. The people pulling the strings in the Muslim world are no more faithful than any other religious group that murders in the name of God.
Religion has everything to do with the desires of man, and nothing to do with faith in God.
Well said Paul. Jamesmark1903 sounds like an AK47 toting redneck and a bigot of the worst kind..The cowardly type that hides behind a bedsheet and burns people at the stake because they are of a different color and\or religion.
No, you are just ignorant about Islam. Read Robert Spencer's books about Muhammad and Islam, such as "The Truth About Muhammad." Anything that Muhammad did including mass murder, rape, marrying a 6-year-old girl, and slavery is beyond criticism for Muslims.
Islam will never change
It has destroyed people like how ISIS is doing now since 632AD
Hundu's were butchered in INDIA, Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Turkey etc. Zoroastrians in Iran the crime never ends.
Camaroon wants an ASIAN to rule Britain will a Christian or Hindu rule a Muslim country.
West is so pathetic. They are so scared of Muslims they try to pretend to be righteous.
The real reason is fear.
Only Israel has the answer for ISLAM.
Western writers and leaders and university's are full of cowards.
No matter how much the west pretend to love Islam is Muslims have their way ISIS is their style.
Quran is a plagiarism of the Bible created by Mohamed to feed the pride and envy Arabs against Jews and their religion. In the Quran we can deduce that Muhammad was a pedophile (wives under age 12), a robber (rob caravans with its close relatives), criminal (the Hebrew exterminated entire villages and even Arabs, allegedly on the orders of Allah), rape (he was the first to "test" the women defeated killed and others had to wait their turn). Mohamed was meant to be a sort of Joshua the Arab peoples, but proclaimed by himself. Unfortunately for him, made his claim to fame in the Qur'an describing rapes, robberies and murders Allah against those who allegedly gave in his hand. Until today, the Arabs are convinced that Muhammad is a prophet real, and continue to do what his mentor bequeathed them in the Qur'an: murders, rapes and robberies against anyone have another faith. Zero tolerance against Christians or those who believe in IHWH, this is the main message of the Qur'an.
The Qur'an does not have any prophets, just empty promises, with rivers of milk and honey, virgin virgin (Mohammed was the first that gave start to gang rape after his followers came out victorious in the struggle against a tribe either Hebrew or Arabs). When Arabs asked Muhammad performing miracles, after seeing his torment for decades to create a new religion, Muhammad could not perform any miracles. Also could not make the slightest prophecy. "The miracles related in the Qur'an are also described in the Bible, miracles of healing and resurrection from the dead, are grotesque descriptions that today would match perfectly with horror scenarios. Some are of no utility puierilitate incredible and well without historical symmetry. Nothing binds the word Qur'an, while the Bible is linear, consistent and full of symmetries. Although the Qur'an is full of moral teachings, Muslims can not perform any until today, even more have come to slaughter each other.
Satanah's a bad father, he feeds her children, leaving them hungry, they divide and persecuting them throughout the earth without you've ever gather in one place only for the purpose of plunder and war. Moreover puts faith in hearts that they did not plentiful on Earth because Christians and Jews in particular.
You are Right ! that Quran is similar to bible, but the only difference is you believe that Jesus(pbuh) was crucified and that he was a son of God, where as we believe he was not crucified and he was a Prophet.
There are certain miracles of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH), to know you have to go through the Quran and as well as hadeeths where you can clarify your doubts.
How very kind of you. There's a general conciseness that slavery is wrong. Therefore modern day modern political Islam has no part in it.
To Give a Islanic Religious Ruling, a Fatwa, One MUST be a Gradute of one (1) of Four (4) Islamic Law Schools with a Degree in Islamic Law.
This statement, is NOT Fatwa, though I I am Degree in Five Gradute Subjects, one of them is NOT Islamic Law.
People in my Mosque call me Shahke, Learned man.
The Quran in NO WAY accept and or Justifies slavery, In fact the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH), freed the only Slave the he had and ask others to do the same.
ISIL or ISIS, is a Wahabbi Derviative, that since its on set has been about destroying Islam. Head of the Wahabbi
World org, is in Saudi Arabia, controlled a Young Wahabbi Named of Salmon, who receintly order 20-25 rich
Saidis into a Rihad Hotel for the beating of their lives and to fofiet Money. Im sorry, does not sound anything like
Islam or a Muslim Act!
It is well known that the apologists will always deny the truth of the facts in islam. Read Qoran 4:3 and that is one small proof. Isis who had so many slaves and still do. They are being sold on the slave market and the best ones are taken freely by their fighters.
They admit the taking of slaves and justify the practice according to the theological ruling of Islam. They follow the practice of Mohammad who is the "perfect" human being. Do not get duped by contradictions.
No matter how one philosophies, but the Islam's history of practice is quite clear, taking more than a million slaves from Europe and still practices it in many parts of Islamic countries today, What Isis is doing has been done for all of Islam's history – treated others and minorities has always been brutal.
You portray your own history as ours. No, Europe was brutal to minorities. In Muslim lands, they were safe and protected. As for the small tax they pay, A muslim is required to fight and pay Zakat while minority does need to do either.
Well said sir!
You are a liar. Christians always in Islamic States were enforced to pay a huge tax called Jizya so as not to be beheaded. In Europe muslims paid nothing. So called Zakat is so rediculous sum by comparison of Jizya. In contemporary world as before christians are still thrown into brick kiln and decapitated by muslims.
As a typical Muslim,you can not help lying.Mohammad was involved in slave trade .He owned and sold slaves.The minorities are treated as filth and loest of creatures as written by MOHAMMAD in Qur'an.He came as ANTI CHRIST and there is nothing MORAL AND GOOD about Mohammad who was a PVERT PEDOPHILE
Those calling Islam evil must look at themselves in mirror. What about black slavery history by Europeans to west? how many millions and for how many years did that go on? What hypocrisy!
Like many muslims I have come across, you have absolutely no idea about Islam's violent history:
http://www.amazon.com/Islamic-Jihad-Conversion-Imperialism-Slavery/dp/1440118469
Why not read it and educate yourself?
Another Muslim liar practicing Taqiyya and the dopey libs just accept it. The status of non-Muslims in Muslim countries is as a dhimmi, a second class citizen, just like women under barbaric sharia law. In Pakistan and other Muslim countries., Christians are murdered for the crime of blasphemy.
You are a true Muslims you can never tell the truth on Islamic crimes.
Not only was jizya not a small tax but it had to be handed over personally in a way that was demeaning. Minorities, we're talking about Jews mostly, had to walk in the street if a Muslim was walking on the same sidewalk, had to wear special clothing (that's where the yellow star for Jews was invented), had to ride side saddle. Lots of humiliation for minorities.
The murdered Yazidis of Iraq are only the latest victims of Islam.
Islam has been enslaving and murdering innocent people since Mohammed himself took the wives and children of his victims in Medina and made them his slaves.
What are you talking about ? No matter what Muslims do they will never reach the brutality of Christianity !
Dude, you're 500 year off
What christianity did in the middle ages does not justify today's attrocities by Islam.
Not to mention that the new testament does not promote violence, contrary to the coran
Yes. Coz Xtians blow up themselves on REGULAR basis because of their faith, and they blow up so many people with them too, from Nth century ago to the present...duh
One need only look back to WWII and Hitler's "Christian" handling of Jews and minorities in Europe...
Are you for real Milan!! Credible Historians estimate between Three & Five Thousand were murdered during the Spanish Inquisition! EIGHTY MILLION Hindus were slaughtered by Islamic invaders in the Millennium after 670AD with a similar number of women & children taken as 'booty'!! Thousands of priceless World treasures (Hindu, Sikh & Buddhist Temples) were destroyed to have Mosques built over them!! Seems like Muslims (like the Professor) will say anything (taqiyya) to white-wash their brutal ideology!!
The ignorant needs to know that Muslims always fight for justice,for rule for belief .They never fought for the victory of white on black.
Just recently, a young Prent Christian woman along with her husband were thrown into the brick making kiln and burnt alive on false allegation of burning a piece of Qur'an at Kot Radha Kishan .Pakistan. That represents the true face of Mohammad and Muslims.Sir,Winston Churchill wrote: ISLAM IN A MUSLIM WAS LIKE RABIES IN A DOG. HOW TRUE!!!
Milan, seriously?
Muslims have been slauthering infidels since Muhammad was running around raping and pillaging. You left wingers hate Christianity so much that you ignore that Islam has always been a Religion of War. Islam was created to justify the Arab conquests and to unite the Arab empire.
So true, deeds speak louder than words, especially than "Taqiyya" words.
So, John, do you have any references, sources or even verifiable facts, such as comparing the percentages paid for Jziya and Zakat? And why is Zakat "so called" and, yet, Jziya is not? Jziya has basically fallen into disuse while Zakat is one of the Five Pillars of Islam.
Do you have any answers or are you just going to spout more Islamophobic garbage?
"Islamophobia" is simply the reasonable fear of having one's head cut-off by Muslims for not accepting their ideology.
Islam condemns slavery altogether. The beloved prophet of Islam treated slaves like his sons and released them and asked other companions to free slaves. It is a rule is Islam that if you commit a particular sin then you should free a slave to get rid of that sin. If the 'so called Muslims' do not observe Islamic rules honestly and malign its image as peaceful and most advanced religion for peace and tranquility of human beings then it is not the fault of Islam. Read the authentic sources of Islam and you will know that what IS is doing has nothing to do with Islam. They are not Muslims by definition as they are not respecting the human life which a very important component of Islamic teachings.
The man you called the "beloved prophet" was a murderer of Jews. Devout muslims know this perfectly well, and act on it.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/11/05/Russian-ISIS-Fighter-Defends-Massacres-Because-Muhammed-Slaughtered-700-People
Islam was built on slavery, and continues to excuse, condone and enact slavery until the present day.
Every criminal case of slavery in the United States since 1865 has involved Muslims holding non-Muslim slaves. The latest was in 2010 in Colorado.
Dr Qureshi, please quote the relevant verses from the Quran and the Hadiths to support your statement.
The Quran condemns holding Muslims as slaves, and instructs that non-Muslim slaves who convert should also be freed. I have never found a passage that is a blanket condemnation of slavery for persons of ALL religious beliefs, they all apply only to Muslims. Could you please cite any that would define a blanket condemnation of enslaving non-Muslims as a reference to your claims?
Well said.
Of the modern groups reviving the practice of slavery, including the islamic regime in Sudan, Boko Haram in Nigeria and ISIS in Iraq, all are overtly shariah based, islamic supremacist groups acting in exact imitation of their founder, Mohammad, who directly authorized the taking of non-muslim s*x slaves during jihad.
No slaves on this planet has been treated worse than blacks here in America. Millions of us were thrown in shackles stacked like sardines on the ship & millions of others thrown into the oceans when the slavers thought they could be busted. those of us that survived the trip into America had another four hundred yrs of hard labor in cotton field with whip lashes on their backs. Taught only a part of Christianity about the love of Jesus & Turn the Other Cheek. But in Islam, we could bow & submit to the Will of Allah and we could join them. We blacks here could never join our slave masters, we could pray all day and claim brotherly love for our masters but we were taught to hate ourselves and others that looked like us (WILLIE LYNCH). Slaves were taught, we were only 68% human, therefore justifying them being master and we being slaves. MY POINT, I AS A BLACK MAN WOULD MUCH RATHER FIGHT UNDER FLAG OF ISIS, N KOREA OR IRAN THAN TO FIGHT UNDER THE CONFEDERATE FLAG, THAT U RACIST ARE STILL FLYING TODAY
Yes, humans of all colors, religions, etc. are more than capable of terrible things. Is ISIS any different? Probably not?
Then I suggest you take a hike to Syria of Iraq or wherever and get to it.
You seem to be unaware that the Islamic world enslaved at least as many Africans, alongside Europeans and central Asians.
Actually, the blacks treated the Jewish slaves FAR worse than black slaves were treated here.
I suggest you read some of Muhammad's statements on black people:
http://bigfaithministries.com/muhammad-a-racist-slave-trader/
Please go "fight under the flag of ISIS."
I look forward to seeing you in the sights of my M4.
You're clearly unfamiliar with the extent, duration and mortality rates involved in the muslim slave trade. The numbers are simply astronomical (probably in excess of 10 million over 7 centuries). Many of the male slaves actually bled to death after castration
Furthermore, christians were the primary drivers in outlawing and enforcing the ban on slavery (See the abolition movements starting with Wilberforce). While muslims, who did not have the moral tools or imagination to outlaw it themselves, had to be forced by the British to stop, though, for the most part, they were simply more sneaky about it.
There is a very good reason why the islamic gulf states did not outlaw slavery until the 1960's and that most of the places where it is still practiced openly are all muslim, including Sudan and Mauritania.
Finally, among the modern groups reviving the practice, including the islamic regime in Sudan, Boko Haram in Nigeria and ISIS in Iraq, all are overtly shariah based, islamic supremacist groups acting in exact imitation of their founder, Mohammad, who directly authorized the taking of non-muslim s*x slaves during jihad.
did you know that at recently as 1962 it was legal to own BLACK slaves in Saudi Arabia? I wonder how they were treated since I guess Rape by a Arab is somehow better than a Rape by white man. I suppose we corrected ourselves well over a 100 before the Saudi's did. Well at least they don't still practice slavery, oh darn, they still do!!! You are a slave of your own making, your hate blinds you to the facts.
One hundred and fifty years ago President Lincoln freed America's slaves. Today a black President ignores and abandons them.
Dam you hit the nail on the head perfectly.
Maybe, u should have added that while ABE, freed the slaves that he secretly plotted with Britain during the Civil War, to ship Those Supposedly Freed Slaves into South America TO WORK THOSE PLANTATIONS IN BRAZIL AS SLAVES THERE. Britain ONLY BACKED OUT OF THE AGREEMENT WHEN THEY THOUGHT THE SOUTH MIGHT WIN THE CIVIL WAR AND DECLARE WAR ON THEM! I bet 90% of u didn't know this
Jomo was too busy reading "Afro-centric" comic books to pay attention to the teacher in school.
In reality, no such plot existed outside the lunatic paranoid imaginations of Elijah Mohammed and Louis Farrakhan.
What the Quran says and Islamic terrorists do are not at all related! The same goes for Christians and the Bible. There are radicals that do things for their own gain in all religions...
Anyone see a similarity between ISIS's philosophy and the Inquisition. A few centuries behind the times but much the same and equally insane!
I am a Christian – articles like this, from esteemed scholars is what we need much more of. One does not necessarily have to agree with his exact point of view, but in my opinion ( and I know it is just my view :-0!) enlightenment and reasonable, respectful dialogue are the start of a solution in the Middle East.
Bwana – my hat is off to you!
If you were referring to anyone other than Muslims, you'd be right. You have not studied Islam, as I have done for two decades. The only way compromise and tolerance can be achieved is by people WILLING to do so. Islam is an absolutist belief system. It compromises with and tolerates NOTHING. No matter what.
Muslims often try to tell us they can compromise and be tolerant, but the words fall flat in the face of the actions taken by Muslims. Their own texts tell them how sinful it is to even think of compromising with infidels, or tolerating them at ALL.
All Muslims belong to what they call the "Ummah." It collectively includes all Muslims, and patriotism to the Ummah transcends by FAR any owed to the nations they live in. No other loyalty counts to them at ALL. Of course, Muslims always exclude the "other sect" from inclusion in the Ummah, as we've seen, time and again. To Muslims, that "other sect" are false Muslims, which makes them even worse than us infidels. They are to be heavily tortured before being slaughtered. We only deserve to be slaughtered.
WE take that as showing that Muslims kill Muslims often. That is not how THEY view it. They are killing "false Muslims," and never kill those they regard as "true Muslims." Since we refuse to grasp that, we end up with yet more confusion about Islam. Which benefits Muslims.
I know you are trying to be fair and rational. And you ARE. But by failing to study Islam, you've included Islam and Muslims as though they were also fair and rational. They aren't, because they CAN'T be and remain Muslims.
It seems to me that these things are so far outside of your experience, so totally alien to you, that you have no touchstones with which to comprehend the realities of Islam. Your desire to be fair and rational is admirable. But it is equally admirable to be open to learning of realities that are so heinous, so far removed from civility, that you can't imagine they could ever exist at all. You haven't taken that step yet.
You can only know those realities of Islam by studying its own holy texts. Unless you do, you can remain in denial of them right up to the day when the jihadis are at your door. I would strongly urge you to do that studying. You'd also need to learn how benign sounding texts in the Quran have been rendered dead – they did so on the day when their own prophet violated them for the first time. The texts remain, but hold no meaning for any Muslim any longer.
Muslims have always forced conversions. Remember when the last Pope referred to that? Muslims rioted and killed people because he had "offended" Islam. They quoted the Quran, "there shall be no compulsion in religion." A nice, benign phrase. But it died after Muhammad forced his own first conversion. That's why Muslims still do it.
I've studied Islam from its core texts for decades. So I know things that civilized people just can't BEAR to accept as true. They remain true, notwithstanding.
Your decision, then, is whether to live in denial, or find the courage to study the reality and then ACCEPT that it IS the reality. When I started studying Islam many years ago, I was seeking reassurance, from Islam itself (its own holy texts) that Islam really was peacefui and tolerant, as I'd always believed. What I learned stood my hair on end, instead. Horrific as the reality was, I had to accept that it WAS the reality of Islam. I can wish it were otherwise until I'm blue, but nothing will change that reality. That's the reality we are facing, and which most people are too fearful to acknowledge.
It will be our own undoing. Worse still, it won't be long in happening.
Useful idiot; Nothing under the sun changes in Islam.
I've read all 95 pages. Will you?
The 4th Conference of the Academy of Islamic Research: Arab Theologians on Jews and Israel. Sept. 1968 Translated by D.F. Green/David G. Littman (Support Secure Freedom)Front to back; 95 pages of outrageous lies, inversion and vile Jew-Hatred.
Read Andrew Bostom's The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism and read from page 51 on the above topic to page 53 the 2003 Putrajaya Islamic Summit and a little beyond to a speech by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi on the same page. The whole chapter is one horrific example after another of Islamic mass murder and pogroms but go ahead and start with this.
And this:
Dr. Wafa Sultan exposes Islamic values with Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/dr-wafa-sultan-exposes-islamic-values-sheikh-omar-bakri-muhammad
This less than 8-minute video segment, if viewed objectively and dispassionately, could do more to educate the American public on the theory animating the practice of “Islamic international relations,” without any further explanation required. Andrew G. Bostom-The Legacy of Jihad and The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism.
I thought I'd go ahead and include these as well:
Islamists Project Islam's Worst Traits onto Christians by Raymond Ibrahim
raymondibrahim-com/9669/islamists-project-islam-worst-traits-onto
Muslims Project Islam's Worst Traits onto Israel and the Jews by Raymond Ibrahim
raymondibrahim-com/8348/muslims-project-islam-worst-traits-onto-Israel
Slavery, Terrorism and Islam, (and Holocaust in Rwanda), by Peter Hammond (This is an Ass-Kicking little resource of 276 pages.)
The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism: From the Sacred Texts to Solemn History by Andrew G. Bostom (Read the "Note on the Cover Art-Execution of a Moroccan Jewess" or this book Review/article by Benjamin District; “Jewess Heroine-Sol Hachuel”.
http://myrightword.blogspot.com/2008/02/jewess-heroine-sol-hachuel.html
Supplemental Article “The First and Last Enemy: Jew Hatred in Islam.” by Bostom
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=28549
The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims by Andrew G. Bostom MD
Book Review-The Legacy of Jihad by: Alyssa A. Lappen (Frontpage Magazine)
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=7334
The Legacy of Islamic Totalitarianism: Sharia vs. Freedom by Andrew G. Bostom. Read the Reviews on this latest book by Eileen F. Toplansky and Alyssa A. Lappen (Get the whole set)
Book Review by Eileen F. Toplansky Tackling the Totalitarianism of Islam (American Thinker)
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/tackling_the_totalitarianism_of_islam.html
Book Review by Alyssa A. Lappen-Sharia States: Totalitarian to the Core
http://pjmedia.com/blog/sharia-states-totalitarian-to-the-core/
Also read his other Review on Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Sharia-Versus-Freedom-Islamic-Totalitarianism-ebook/dp/B00C4B2HEK
Apple and oranges
Nothing in the new testament support the inquisition.
And nothing in the Quran supports the actions of ISIS!
Google "The Reliance of the Traveller , Tools for the Worshiper" Bwana!! This is the Sharia Manual , written in the 7th Century!! It is officially certified as an authoritative source of Sunni Islamic Law by Al-Azhar Uni. in Cairo!! There is no higher authority on Sunni Islamic doctrine than Al-Azhar!! BTW, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi has a PhD in Islamic Studies. I think he would know more about true Islam than you!!
Ever read the bible? It is far from all love and peace!!
Someone is shedding tears on the atrocities of muslims on hindus and others,wow, the sympathizer should know that far before coming of islam into the subcontinent hindus had burnt billions of widows alive in the name of sacred cowism.their brutal scheduled caste system itself is a curse on them since centuries and it would likely remain there for coming centuries. if muslims killed hindus in the name of islam then why i see millions of hindus at the shrines asking for blessings?
Perhaps because the Muslims were not thorough enough. They tried to wipe the Hindus out, but didn't quite make it?
You suffer from the fallacy that pointing out flaws in others somehow makes you superior. It doesn't, it just makes you *doubly* benighted.
The Old Testament is replaced by the New Testament.
The message of Jesus is: Love one another.
The Quran is about domination, conversion or death by the sword, stealing property, women, children, butchering men.
Quran (9:14) – "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.
Quran (17:16) – "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction."
Genesis 9:5-6:
“Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image."
Psalm 144:1:
"Of David. Blessed be the Lord, my rock, who trains my hands for war, and my fingers for battle."
Matthew 10:34:
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
Despite the immense evil of war, Jesus said it is inevitable that wars will continue until He returns (Mark 13:7-8), and He did not oppose earthly governments or their right to maintain armies (Matthew 8:5-10). Other New Testament passages accept the necessity of maintaining armies and the worthiness of military occupations (Luke 3:14, Acts 10:1-6)
Read http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788 and you'll not see much difference between Islam and Christianity with regard to violence in the name of God.
bwa
My comment is made directly to those citing the Bible's violent and/or less than loving scriptures . . . Please point me to one single "Christian organization" that is taking slaves and/or beheading innocent children, by the thousands. It is of little consequence what the "book" says or doesn't say. What is of consequence is that a "book's" followers are murdering innocent people. The sin is the action of the followers, not in what their "book" says or doesn't say.
ISIL, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram and too many more to mention here, VS what, the KKK??? or the Irish Catholics and Protestants??? And please keep it current, don't bring up the Dark Ages!
On the contrary. The leader of IS has painstakingly justified IS's actions by constantly referring to the Quran. Please read. When you have done so, please explain to us how he is misunderstanding Islam:
Best of luck with that! Exactly the same thing happened with Bin Laden, who justified 9/11 by quoting copiously from the Quran:
http://www.photius.com/rogue_nations/guardian_021124.html
When you can explain how all these muslims are misunderstanding their religion, please let us know. So far not one muslim has been able to do so. They merely quote abrogated Meccan verses, and expect to be believed.
Say what you will about Jesus, no one ever accused him of murdering anyone, "marrying" a 9 year old girl or focring women and children into slavery.
Mohammed was proud to have done all of those things.
"the Quran, like other religious texts, accepted the existence of chattel slavery as a fact of life"
Sorry Sir, this is all they need and it is all we need to know.
Nice try. This site's clear support of Islam couldn't be better expressed than here.
We keep hearing about ISIS enslaving people, but in most Muslim nations, it is practiced quietly, but fully. Do you really think the pleasure palaces of the Islamic Emirates were built by their own hands? They used slaves – what today are called "trafficked" workers (the politically correct term), as if somehow that term goes over better with us. Slavery, by any other name, is still slavery. And this site has many glitzy ads for those pleasure palaces. Built by slaves.
Throughout Islam's history, Muslims have conquered and enslaved – unceasingly. And, where they can get away with it and keep it quiet, they still do.
We aren't being given quotations of this "new ethic" in Islam, but one thing's sure: It was never included in the Islamic holy texts. If it exists at ALL, it's quite new, and therefore NOT Islamic at all.
We aren't told WHOSE Jurists have come to this conclusion, and whether or not they were even Muslim ones. Nor do we hear the precise language of the conclusion reached. The entire reference to it is fuzzy at best, and entirely unsubstantiated.
It's true that other faiths have accepted chattel slavery. But it is also patently obvious that they have ALL abandoned it as inhumane, no matter what their religious texts said. The proof of it is in the fact that people of those faiths no longer buy, sell or keep slaves. Any of them who still try are criminals, and treated as such.
The Quran has ALWAYS mandated conquest over non-Muslims. It has ALWAYS mandated killing kuffir (infidels) and/or converting them by force to Islam. Anyone who can think Muslims would actually stick over slavery can't be in touch with the reality of Islam. If it's fine as paint to kill non-believers and force conversions, it's equally fine to enslave them. Any prohibitions against slavery, or mandates to free slaves were exclusively applicable to enslaved Muslims, including "converted" ones. For everyone else, there ARE NO RULES.
He said, "the “high road” is the one that leads the righteous human being to free slaves." Muslim ones, yes. Any others, NO.
Freeing slaves IS Islamic, as long as the slaves are, or have become, Muslims. He didn't mention that.
He does NOT define what "right-thinking Muslims" are, or even what they think. He plainly refers to the Quran as "glorious." Then claims people like ISIS are perverting it.
My 20 years of studying Islam, directly from its OWN writings, tell me otherwise. ISIS is not twisting Islam. They are following it meticulously. Any "gloriousness" in the Islamic texts can only be appreciated by Muslims. For anyone else, Islam is unspeakably brutal.
And so, too, does the behavior of Muslims, all over the planet, prove that Islam demands both conquest and enslavement. Not to mention all forms of atrocity.
This gentleman is yet another Muslim feeding us taqiyya propaganda, trying to prop up the mystique that Islam is peaceful and tolerant, when it is quite visibly the very opposite.
And this site, which has become entirely pro-Islam, is giving him a soapbox. Just as it's doing with the woman who claims to be a feminist converted to Islam. The site is actively promoting Islamic propaganda. Actively helping Muslims to conquer us all.
Islam has only one true goal: total conquest of the whole world – and by ANY means at all.
Given their way, every one of us will end up either dead or a Muslim. No exceptions. That is VERY explicitly stated in the Quran. They must fight until there is "no more fitnah (disbelief) in the world" and ALL people worship Allah.
This author left out a few profoundly important things about Islam in his article. And this site let him get away with it.
We might want to ask ourselves why this is so.
So lets just go to war of total destruction, obviously there are just problems but no solutions.
It's true that there ARE no solutions where Islam is involved. That' the whole problem. As long as Islam exists in the world, the solutions you want to see cannot ever come to pass. And Islam has been around for 1400 years, and is likely to last many times that long into the future.
There are no solutions to the things Muslims do in the world, but there CAN be ways of keeping their harm at bay.
War is NOT the way to deal with it. Muslims love war, and slather for us to wage war on them. It weakens us, depletes our reserves, making us much more vulnerable to the day when Muslims conquer us. They don't lack patience. They've been waiting for 1400 years to conquer the world, and would wait another 1400, if need be. Today, though, modern technology has given us all global contact and swift and easy global transportation. That is as wonderful to Muslims as to the rest of us. They are using them, and can now see that their goal of total global conquest might now be possible in their own lifetimes. They're very excited about it.
We can't wage war unless we want to be conquered. But we can't sit by and do nothing, either. Our only hope is to get together as a non-Islamic community of humans from everywhere, and make plans to THWART their goals of global conquest. There ARE ways it can be done, but they'll be extremely costly and difficult. Only TOGETHER can the non-Muslims of the world hope to survive.
We haven't even started trying to thwart them. Probably won't, either. So the only outcome possible is that the Muslims WILL conquer the world.
Maybe it's cowardly of me, but I can't help feeling somewhat glad that I won't have to see most of the conquest, because I'm already quite old. But I can still ache for the younger people who will have to face it at its worst. Even though the conquest will come about largely through their own ignorance, cowardice and denial, nobody among them deserves what will happen to them, when Muslims become our overlords.
It's going to be bad. Very bad. At this point, it'll be virtually impossible to stop it.
I agree with you, H.B. And I think CNN must be labeled "The Takiyya Network". God bless you.
I love reading what you have to say. You seem more knowledgeable about this than anyone I have ever listened to on this topic. Great comments. I have always felt this was the truth. We should all be worried.
I am a Muslim. I am in love with my Christian classmate should I rape her now? wow what kind of logic do you have.
Funny how you can 'love' your Christian class-mate Imran, if your sister was to love a Christian, you would be the first to 'Honor' kill her!
I bet you also forgot to state that ISLAM was sent down to middle arabia because ALLAH described the Arabs as one of the most brutal beings ever created? Islam was sent down to bring order because everything in that ear existed from sodomy to slavery. Islam stopped all of those and the society of the Arabs is the evidence and them being brutal? just look at their culture for crying out loud if that is not a clear evidence? sadly the Arabs themselves RIGHT NOW went above and beyond the Qur'an and started twisting their own versions hiding their political goals and this started the moment the last prophet died... power grabbing began hence your description of conquests coupled with wrong interpretation of the verses.
Well said Imran thanks. Sometimes a bitter pill is necessary to cure ones disease. They r really ignorant.
Look in the mirror.
The Islamic world remains sick with slavery and sodomy. "The Kite Runner" wasn't set in Kansas.
Well, keep in mind that Umar prevented the dying Prophet from making his final proclamations, telling the public he was too sick.
Islam was on its way to perpetual turmoil pretty much at the moment the prophet died.
That's pretty much the case with every religion.
The Quran was finally gathered together and formalized decades after the prophet's death. Until then it was only remembered orally. And when it was compiled, guess what, bits an pieces that the Caliph and his cohorts didn't like were left out.
I find it odd that people are willing to die and kill over this.
Also you blame muslims for not doing anything wow thanks for generalizing everyone. You know where I live right now? I LIVE IN MINDANAO ZAMBOANGA CITY, PHILIPPINES home of the AL-QAEDA ABUSAYAFF LAND. We have been re-educating Muslims not indoctrinating them to have a civilized out look in life and we got all sorts of death threats to the point of branding as also as khaffirs. We had a SIEGE in this city last year in December and it was all about politics and culture and ISLAM gets the blame for it when it is clearly the acts of man and not god nor the religion and it's thinking. If you want to meet me in this war-torn area feel free to visit and I'll give you my number. I'll show you one of the earliest Muslim settlements in the Philippines which was devasted by Spain and USA for more than 333 years I have a thesis on this. Today USA is a superpower and that is a fact and we the MUSLIMS in this country has chosen them rather than communist China. What you are failing to see here is that all forms of religion can be used as a tool to forward political goals and people like you brands us like Neo Nazis thinking that we are the ultimate chosen one with the ultimate Religion wherein fact we aren't since it is told in the Qur'an itself that our faith is unknown the moment we die and there is no guarantee that what we do in this world is always correct contradicting your views. You claim to have studied Islam for years but it seems your study is only involved in destroying ISLAM rather than understanding it.
There has never come anything good out of islam, period. They talk of it as a religion of peace and either they are so brainwashed by their false propaganda or just lie to everyone up front – everyone can see that islam is no religion of peace. It is a barbaric religion of total intolerance and violence. Everywhere there are muslims, there are problems. Why the other religions can get along and only muslims can't? Islam has no standing, it was based on a prophecy of a pedophile, schizophrenic lunatic!
And the day after the Philippines granted autonomy to Mindanao, they took 200 hostages and displaced 100,000 people. There I no satisfying and ever more demanding segment of the population. All the concessions the Philippines have made toward the Muslims have simply resulted in more terrorism and more demands. And Lapu Lapu was NOT a Muslim. Neither was Jose Rizal.
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If only you could have used the rest of your dull brain you must have realized that Islam is the only religion that miraculously is alive on every part of this world.Its not a homesick religion like Hinduism,sikhism,bodhism,judaism and a lot of cults confined to their own birth place.Because no body cares about these because they have no power to catch others attention . Americans have no complaints with Muslims who have been living there since 60 or seventy years.Britain hosts more muslims then non muslims.You hate Islam because Islam disallows gayism, i think you will try to study islam being in sense not comparing with other cults. Isn't it a proof that islam can get along nicely now eat your happy meal well i mean your bacon!
Thank you for your posts HB. You are hitting the nail on the head. Muslims are called to advance the cause of Islam by any means necessary and that includes deception when they are not yet in a position of dominance. They are encouraged to lie to the unbelievers in their quo'ran
Reply to Z-Knight.
You are correct.
The author of the article does not realize that the Quran is available in English and hence we can inform ourselves.
Why do muslims choose to come to live in a Christian Democracy ?
Dear H.B.
Based upon over 30 years of similar in depth research of the subjects of Muhammad, his Quran, his Sunna, Sharia, Arab/Israeli conflict, Islamic history etc I would like to CONGRATULATE you on all your extremely well researched and articulated comments
Islam has NO shades. Anyone speaking of Muslim Extremists, Moderates, Radicals or Militants should be consigned to a Mental Asylum because this creature is DENYING all Facts & Reality as asserted by every Muslim terrorist group quoting in Chapter & Verse from Muhammad's Quran, Sunna & Hadith justifying each and every DEPRAVED act of theirs
A pleasure reading your comments and also the awakening of so many others commenting here based on the very Islamic scriptures
Sincerely
IQ al Rassooli
Kafir & Proud!
That which the right hand holds,is written; Please Explain that
Therein lies the problem: INTERPRETATION. The Bible, the Quran, the Talmud, every sacred text of "mainstream" religions contains horrible, puzzling, contradictory teachings that scholars and laymen try to rationalize via circular logic that, in the end, has to be resolved via "faith", the submission to things that we are certainly not equipped as humans to understand, unless we are "magic people" like priests, imams, rabbis, shamans, and what-have-you. Seems legit.
people interpret things the only way that'll help them. Everyone is selfish and nobody is selfless these days.
The Bible / the old Testament is the Old Law. It has been replaced by the the New Testament /The new Law. Jesus gave the message : Love one another: simple, clear, no interpretation needed.
Why is jihad always against Christians, Jews and other so called kaffurs? Why doesn't jihad ever entail fighting other Muslims that give the rest a bad name? Islam will never be regarded as a religion of peace
Religion is a way of control. No religion will ever be regarded as peaceful in my mind. History teaches us lessons that should never be forgotten, and every religion has an atrocious past, present or impeding future.
Not Buddhism. Well not to say that Buddhists didn't commit any atrocities. Only that unlike others, they didn't try to justify those actions using religion.
Do you know what the word Jihad means? It means to strive and struggle to improve ourselves, to resist temptations to harm other human beings, to strive and struggle to improve the society. Jihad never means to kill a person for personal gains. This word Jihad has been maligned by the west to be-fool innocent and illiterate Muslims to fight Soviet Union.
The movie industry loves the word jihad and has perverted it to mean only the "jihad of the sword"; whereas, "The most difficult jihad is the one of the soul. The biggest trouble is not with your enemy but with yourself." Let's not forget the four tenants, "The heart, the tongue, the hand and the sword".
I'm not Muslim but I'm honest enough to realize all humans fight the same demons...
We know that every time a murdering Muslim has a camera pointed at him or a microphone put in his face, he uses the excuse of "jihad" to justify cutting the heads off of unarmed prisoners, blowing apart Yazidis villages with massive truck-bombs, throwing acid in the faces of 12 year old girls in Afghanistan or any of the other thousands of sickening acts of violence that Muslims are committing every year.
bwana, the word you are looking for is "Dhimmi."
If one thing has ever been true in history it's that when people are pushed to hard they revolt. I'm hoping that people worldwide just take up arms and defend themselves. Go on ahead ISIS and keep pushing the weaks buttons because soon enough they'll realize they have numbers on you. The weak will destroy the armed/powerful. I hope that happens soon in America as well. I'm tired of the power grabbing elitists here. Tired of working 5 days a week with hours of commuting for nothing. Tired of getting 2 days off every 5 to try and rest and spend time with my family. Tired of watching the rich get to do whatever they want whenever they want. Just Tired! That's what's going to happen in the middle east soon enough. Watch, wait, and see.
using primitive book in intelligent modern day context... a big no
If invoke Quran in Conversation, do we believe in self proclaime prophet marrying 6 year old
Looks like US people and Isis have a lot in common
The author like others is scared of saying anything against islam. I laugh when the leaders of various countries say islam is the religion of peace. Just read about the fate of banu quraya tribe. Mohammad beheaded the men and enslaved the woman and children. ISIS does the same now.
Focus instead on the biggest problem in the world today:
Women who speak in public.
As you can see if actualy educated as claim. A lot of people see through this as propaganda for islam beliefs and attrocities. The Joseph Gobbels idea of tell a lie a 1000 times. It becomes the truth. Sorry. It wont work... And by the way.. Mohammed was a illiterate.. Could not read or write. So how could he have written this holy book as spouted and quoted constantly from??? So who is realy picking and chousing whats truth??
A Message to President Obama from a former Muslim: http://youtu.be/QxzOVSMUrGM
This is taqqiya again. The verses quoted by the author have been abrogated later in the Quaran and the abrogated verses are to be followed as per Moham Mad..hence what ISIS is doing is exactly what the Quran tell them to do. Islam has not come out of the middle ages ..till the quran remains their book it never will or if they follow the tenets of the pedophile murdering MohamMad .
Agree
No one seems to consider the possibility that ISIS is a response to racism. It is one of very few tools that a people feeling subjugated and dehumanized themselves have to "hit" back at the perceived enemies or their agents. It has nothing to do with religion. The fear in the west for Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc... shows that this tool is particularly effective.
Eh – sorry. Just nonsense – but I cant say I didnt expect the "R" word to crop up – surprised it took so long!
Imperialism in any form whether justified by Koran-Hadith- Turks-Arabs-Mongols or by Columbus-Bentham-Stuart Mill-Woodrow Wilson-Churchill-de Gaule are evil and created slavery.
Thus imperialism and its latest forms like WTO-IMF-World Bank-NATO and ISIS-Taliban-Muzzahideens-AlQueada must be abolished by force.
Whatever the matter is in the Quran which should not be interpreted on your own personal views, why you don't check if they are right Muslims or can represent the Islam.
Do you really see or belief what the Crusades did in the holy places in and near Jerusalem or what LRA did in Uganda was something representing the Christianity?
Then you may have a sense about the brutality of ISIS and how they are not representing what Sharia law is
The Crusades were a response to the aggressive and unrelenting expansion of Islam by the sword over hundreds of years, and the LRA is no more Christian than Charles Manson was.
The Crusades came after hundreds of years of Islamic aggression against Christians, including the invasion, forced conversion and genocide of Christians in Egypt, Libya, Syria and Iberia.
The only thing about the Crusades that the Christians should apologize for, is that they did not go all the way to Mecca.
Why is everyone ignoring the elephant in the room? Why can we not question the validity of the quoran, the bible and torah instead of arguing over whose interpretation is right?
When held up under the light of critical thinking, they all boil down to fairytales and bronze age xenophobia.
The sooner the world goes secular, the better off we'll be!
Validity of several books of fairy tales?
Are you serious?
There have been many who agree with you over the ages Matt. Joseph Stalin and Chairman Mao among others. They were responsible for the starvation, torture and murder of many millions of people. Careful what you wish for.
The Quran is designed to set a hierarchy of priorities. What the professor mentions are desires, but low tier necessities. The most vital issue for Muslims which read the Quran literally is establishing the caliphate and protection from the Kuffars.
Despite the tens of thousands of people that ISIS commands, they are a small force numerically compared to the total population that they cover. In this case the Quran explains the tactics employed very clear: kill the reactive part of the population, enslave the passive one and bring terror to the adversaries you cannot handle momentarily. This is why all the Yazidi and Shia men are killed, because they might come back and fight them or encourage uprisings in the territories. This is why women are enslaved, because they could support anti-ISIS movements in local regions. Muhammad actually says that even killing Kuffars directly is wrong. First you have to explain to them what being a Muslim means and after that you offer them the possibility of paying jizya or exile rather than death. But in the case of unmatched forces, the Quran prescribes the same tactics as the ones employed by ISIS.
The ideals that the professor mentions are at the end of the Quran. By that time the writers(or Allah depending on your belief) describes how a one society caliphate should function. Those admirable principles are described when everybody lives under a Muslim rule. They do not apply when Muslims fight Kuffars. And yes Shia Muslims are Kuffars for the Sunni, and they are the most dangerous because they bring conflict and confusion in the minds of the followers of Allah
Shia muslims are not terrorists.
They oppose false teachings, and they refuse to be lap dogs of US like Sunni terrorists.
Did you understand this simple fact?
Yeah keep going...keep insulting Islam and Muslims, until 1.5 and + billion Muslims around the globe becomes just like ISIL and Al-Qaeda, I think you are doing them a favor, when you condemn Islam and Muslims for what a group with an agenda of their own....
Another militant rag-head?
Islam is fake religion, engineered to subdue ignorant and animalistic tribes and individuals.
All those terrorists are Sunites, and there are no terrorists among Shiites, followers of Prophet Ali.
So, F-off with your islam, OK?
Let's put your tantrum into coherent English: "We don't like being called killers, and if you keep it up, we're going to kill you."
There is no good view on slavery. Any kind of slavery is wrong and against laws of nature.
Maybe CNN wants to say that slavery in southern states was good thing?
US should stop supporting and creating various "islamic" terrorist organizations.
Or else...
All verses came according to the event.so,the event of slavery has gone.
People follow the example than the advice. Muslims do what Muhammed did.
Pointless to debate what it says in the Quran, or the Bible or any other religious text. In the end you have to live in the world with your neighbor, regardless of what your religious text says. Its dictated by social norms and decency to your fellow human, not text written hundreds of years ago. If someone found a missing page from the bible that implied we should drink the blood of our enemies young... should we blindly do that? So if someone says their religious text supports slavery, we don't argue if the text actually says that, because its irrelevant. The world as a whole doesn't support it, or decapitation. The question is really, what does the rest of the world do when some people don't conform with the rest of the world.
The United States of America hosts several million muslims(estimates between 6 to 8 million)of which about 40% are
indigenous of various educational,ethnic,and social status who embraced Islam willingly.In response to H.B. assertion that
coertion,intimidation or the like contributed the growth of Al-Islam in North America.
There are barely 1 million Muslims in the US.
And it's long overdue that that number be reduced.
This article just shows how Muslims are as good as Christians to cherry pick what they want from their "holy books" to justify whatever position they want. Instead, they should put their fairy tales aside and think and act based on secular humanism and empaty
+1
I agree wholeheartedly.
The communist revolution in China and the Bolshevik revolution in Russia were both "secular humanist, empathetic" revolutions that lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions. North Korea is a good example of a "secular humanist" state today. When we choose to disregard God we find ourselves rules by petty, tyrannical gods and the result is hell on earth.
Arabs took as many slaves out of Africa as Europeans. The trade started earlier and continued later. In fact, Africans were still being held in slave pens in Saudi Arabia into the 1960's. In addition, about 20% of the entire Muslim nation of Mauritania is a slave today. Slavery has been redefined as "labor contracts" in the Gulf States and continues on its merry way. Slave labor is being used to build New York University's campus in AbuDhabi and sites for FIFA's World Cup in Qatar, to name just a few. I'm tired of being told about what the Koran says. I can't hear your words. Your actions are too loud.
There has never come anything good out of islam, period. They talk of it as a religion of peace and either they are so brainwashed by their false propaganda or just lie to everyone up front – everyone can see that islam is no religion of peace. It is a barbaric religion of total intolerance and violence. Everywhere there are muslims, there are problems. Why the other religions can get along and only muslims can't? Islam has no standing, it was based on a prophecy of a pedophile, schizophrenic lunatic!
I think you got everything wrong, brother. Read from the right sources and trust me, you'd be amazed at what you find.
Umm, no, excuse me, you are the one who got it all wrong – stop reading a pedophile, schizophrenic prophecy of an illiterate lunatic and get yourself some more recent literature – you'd be amazed how the world was able to progress in the last 1400 years that you and the rest of these misguided followers missed.
Solution that guarantees it can be sustained: immediately disband all religions that have ever been involved in any type of oppression, or misdeeds of any sort. Even if it is all, or almost all of them. They obviously will not be missed by truly God-fearing people. The resulting change of consciousness would be what they call a "God-send."
Okay, don't ask me how to do that! Maybe God only knows how. If HE/SHE doesn't know how to eliminate earthly religions, I'll bet HE/SHE wishes HE/SHE did know how to. Imagine how much easier it would be to convince people to worship a creator that didn't have all that baggage !! ~ Thinker
Or not have any religion at all (we have science these days, every rational thinker can see for himself, which one is right and wrong). And we'd get rid of these problems all together....
Muhammad himself both owned slaves and traded in slaves. He used to sell war captives into slavery, e.g., Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe. Muslims also kept slaves. Those whom they defeated and if they were not killed – were often kept or sold as slaves.
The Quran itself justifies slavery- Surah 33:50 – "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."
Probably the professor is right in his analysis of Islam as well as in his belief. The problem lies in the implementation of Islam in everyday life. Unfortunately, there is the human factor. And the human desire to control and rule over the others. Consequently, Muslims must accept that there is no room for religion in everyday life, religion is the way for spiritual development. Then, and only then can a person implement the results in her everyday life. Unfortunately (again!) the cast of priests/imams/whatever are the main obstacle in human evolution. ISIS is the handbook-case how bad usage of religion affects HUMANITY and not only the Muslim community. Compared to Christianity and Judaism, which have evolved and learned from the very dark periods (mostly the Christian faith), Islam is on the downhill and will lose the battle (soon). Maybe Islam needs millions of Bernard Freamons to even have the chance of surviving. I wish them luck. Until then, ISIS must be terminated (men, women, ofsprings) for that Islam get its chance in the world. The main enemy to islam is ISIS, not Christiany, not Judaism or other faiths.
It is duty bound upon muslim to protect our religion from bidah or any form of addition,as for slavery it is acceptable in islam, it only appear strange to us muslim world bse of compromise of our religion value so as to offset it with universal brotherhood of mankind and chanelling our effort in achieving the goal of one world order impossed on us by western powers to corrupt our religion,hense bowing to their demand at expense of our system,we are brainwashed and find it hard to implement practices of our pious predessors by directing our effort in satisfaction of material need
Yes, you defend yourself by murdering and enslaving people and trying to impose your values onto others. Brainwashed? Yes, indeed you are by your false murderous wanna-be prophet. You now defend enslaving people? Really? The problem is that the religion that you stand for is CORRUPT, not the other way around. Everyone can see what is happening today and there is no 'holy' book to defend such crimes.
Slavery is forbidden in Islam.
Erhm, no, islam propagates slavery in its 'holy' book, it is actually very explicit in it.
Yet it was both practiced and advocated by Islam's prophet Mohammed.
Smarten up, dhimmi.
No one wants to corrupt your religion, far from that. Your religion is already corrupted from day one and that is the reason that the whole world suffers from it, in every single continent and including your own muslim countries. The problem is that the muslims cannot and will not see the truth and therefore they HAVE to blame everybody else for this situation. To say or think anything negative is a grave sin , therefore somebody else must be doing wrong, not the religion.When people are afraid, disgusted and so many other things, it is not because of islamophobic propaganda. The muslims themselves are doing everything in such a way that these reactions are totally normal and even very toned down in the Western press . Only a fraction of what is going on in reality spills out in the press because we are afraid of riots.
You are quick in insulting islam,for me ma religion refrain me frm such barbaric utterances,ma dia defend your point but stop attack a gaist religion,for even if you do million times it has zero effect infact may only add value,so plz take advise and go slow
First, type legibly and check your spelling and grammar, might do you a whole lot of good in getting your point across (and this is English-only comment section, btw). I am not insulting anything, I am denouncing the crimes islam is propagating. You didn't answer my question – so you are really defending ISIS enslaving people and the other crimes they commit?
ISIS is not Islamic... Your opinions are irrelevant.
So, just because I do not agree with you on a point you dismiss my opinions as irrelevant? That goes to show, how 'tolerant' you muslims really are.
this man is very stupid
If Isis is not islamic why do they commit these crimes in the name of your false prophet and religion? Name calling? Really? That only shows your low IQ and proves my point even further.
hahaah I am a Muslim. I'm too afraid to kill a fly. Everything ISIS is doing is pure evil and they are just trying to defend themselves by hiding behind Islam. Once you become fluent in Arabic and read the Quran please do come back with your opinions .
ISIS if following the Quran, exactly.
Indeed, they represent the true islam.
Maria is a lying islamic who re.
Quran (9:123) – "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness
Quran (9:14) – "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.
Quran (17:16) – "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).
Quran (8:12) "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle
Quran (9:5) So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack.
Those are only a few passages you got out from Google. When you become fluent in Arabic and actually finish reading the whole Quran come back and comment.
I know enough to make my own opinion. and unlike you following blindly some fairytale book written by a lunatic, do not need a book to lead my life and tell me what's right and wrong. Brainwashed are you with this propaganda not even fit for the middle ages.
so now you saying following a religion is bad?
Not sure why doesn't let me respond directly to your responses – no I am not saying religion is bad I am saying that the crimes that ISIS does in the name of islam are bad (obvious for anyone to see). They claim they do it because of islam, as they are devout muslims. So who am I not to believe them? And on the other hand – were there now religion, the world would be at peace. Have you ever thought about that?
I'm have been raised a Muslim and that is who I am today. Respect my elders, treat everyone with kindness, I am a vegetarian because I love animals. I believe only god has the right to take a human life away not a human. I know many Christians that live their life the way I do. ISIS is stupid and not following islam at all.
As a previous commenter said Maria, I can't hear your words because your actions are speaking so loudly. Why is it that well over 90% of terrorist acts occurring in the world today are perpetrated by people who proclaim themselves to be Muslims? Why do we not hear of large groups of radicalized Amish taking to their buggies and cutting a swath of violence from Pennsylvania clear through to Texas? Is Islam the problem or are a significantly large number of it's followers just too stupid to understand the subtleties of your so-called "religion of peace"
So what are you saying, all the english editions of the Quran are not accurate and shouldn't be relied upon? and the only way to understand Quran is in Arabic? you are not making sense
As I said, islam only propagates violence, non tolerance and crimes. Thanks for this wonderful proof Joline – quotes from the book supposedly written by their illiterate prophet (who in the end couldn't really write it, as he was illiterate...)
Why would I want to learn Arabic and learn that forsaken book? I don't need it as I can think rationally, unlike you and the rest if the other followers of these fairytales.
My point exactly. You know nothing about Islam except what the media and internet have taught you. Hopefully you become a leader one day and think for yourself instead of a follower being brain washed.
Maria, we see the example of Islam that is being set by Muslims. Hundreds of thousands of human beings have been murdered by Muslims in just the last few years.
No where on Earth are Muslims willing to live in peace with non-Muslims.
THE DOCTRINE OF TAQIYYA: Muslims are encouraged to lie against non muslims:
Quran (5:33) – "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
CNN October 2014 Asia Bibi, a mother of five from Punjab province, was accused of defiling the name of the Prophet Mohammed during a 2009 argument with Muslim fellow field workers.
The workers had refused to drink from a bucket of water she had touched because she was not Muslim. On October 16, the Lahore High Court upheld the verdict of death by hanging..
There is no concrete evidence against Asia Bibi, and the courts are only relying on the statement on those two women," Shakir said. Bibi wrote about her ordeal in a 2012 book called "Get Me Out of Here." It includes a letter she wrote to her family urging them to have faith in God. "My children," she wrote, "don't lose courage or faith in Jesus Christ."
Quran (33:60-62) – "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.
Quran (47:3-4) – "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"
HERE ARE FURTHER VERSES:
Quran (33:60-62) – "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.
Quran (47:3-4) – "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"
Enslaving and killing non-combatants, women and children is sanctioned by the Quean:
Bukhari (52:256) – The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings killing civilians-.
This demonstrates that the Muslims hate for the Jews is historical. To-day terrorists will invent any excuse to make war against Jews:
Bukhari (52:177) – Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."
Thank you for more proof Joline. They have nothing to stand on.
The benign Quran verses are the early verses, when Muhammed was trying to find recruites.
These benign verses were killed when Muhammed later did the opposite.
The verses are not in chronological order so we don `t know which are valid and which are not but muslims know. They try to feed use the extinct benign verses. MORE TAQIYYA.
The threat is not only to civilians but also to any government:
Saifur Rahman, The Sealed Nectar p.227-228 – "Embrace Islam... If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if your refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship." One of several letters from Muhammad to rulers of other countries. The significance is that the recipients were not making war or threatening Muslims. Their subsequent defeat and subjugation by Muhammad's armies was justified merely on the basis of their unbelief.
Muhammed gives muslims the right to dominate non-muslims:
Muslim (19:4294) – "When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him... He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them."
ISIS is following the Quran, doing exactly as Muhammed dictated.
Aye. I'm following the Quran as well. I have yet to rape, kill, or torture. Neither are any other muslims I know.
Hence the problem – your religion can be interpreted in many ways and ISIS obviously doesn't interpret it correctly, as you claim. Nevertheless, they do find their inspiration for their crimes in your religion. Then it is obvious that that religion has a huge problem.
They only defend themselves. When a child gets into trouble he uses any excuse to get out of it like ISIS is using Islam. Yes I am comparing a child with ISIS because obviously they don't understand right from wrong, Nothing is wrong with Islam it is simply some people.
This is how the Quran describes such muslims:
Quran (33:60-62) – "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.
NO THIS IS NOT A DUBLICATE: WHYARE YOU TRYING TO STOP ME ?This is how the Quran describes such muslims:
Quran (33:60-62) – "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers.
How much money have you donated to Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood or other fronts that will be used to cut the throats you are too afraid to cut yourself?
If someone has to learn Arabic to understand Islam; then Islam is not a universal religion. This confirms that Islam is only for about 250 million Arab muslims. If Arabic is the language of Allah why only 250 million speak Arabic out of world population of 7.5 billion. Was Muhammad a prophet for Arabs only ?
All of the prayers are in Arabic. My native language is Farsi but I know every Arabic prayer there is and the meaning but i don't speak Arabic. Understand? It is the language the Quran was written in and it's not to be changed
Maria
"Those are only a few passages you got out from Google. When you become fluent in Arabic and actually finish reading the whole Quran come back and comment"
In other words, you don't know what you are talking about, but you are willing to lie to us (as a good Muslim) and expect us to believe your nonsense.
There are translations of the Quran in English.
Type key words in Google.
Muslim means "Submit to God". I am creating a new religion of the "Programmed by god" to insist that we are already programmed by our creator and would act right according to our creator if award of science and not perverse by the bible or the Koran.
Can anybody help me to translate "Programmed by god" into arabic ?
ISIS is following the QURAN, exactly so. verse for verse as it was written by Muhammed
Okay I guess I am going to hell for not killing people then. I am such a good person. Ugh why must Islma be so evil and send a peaceful Muslim like me to hell D:
Muslim (20:4645) – "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"
Have you even gone to the trouble of looking up the meaning of "jihad"? Or are you simply (dumbly) accepting the American movie definition? I suspect the latter or you wouldn't sound quite as stupid! And no, I'm not Muslim but I do try to understand our differences...
No need for definitions. Everyone can see for themselves what ISIS jihad looks like. Oh, and by name calling you will really make a valid argument. Go back to school and learn some manners.
Sounds like you already know everything. Glad you're so worldly. Do you even know where Syria and Iraq are located on a map?
Yes, as a matter of fact I am geography expert. Look, you trying to put people down will not make your claims any more valid in such a discussion.
And Joline is obviously not going by any movie definitions as you claim, she quotes that 'holy' book of theirs...did you even read what she wrote?
I definitely read what she wrote or I wouldn't have asked whether she/he had ever looked up the definition of "jihad". Furthermore, have you ever read the bible? Do a comparison sometime. Nice article at: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124494788 (Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?)
I don't need any religious book to tell me what's wrong or what's right. Why are you bringing another religious book into this? This is not a comparison. I care about the bible as much as I care about any other religious book (my level of caring for all those is close to zero). Again she quotes that one religious book, and you keep claiming some delusional movie references. You should reread her post again and this time let it sink in, please.
WeLoveBacon, delusional, yes. And you believe this quote? Good for you!
That quote matches exactly what ISIS is doing..where did they get their inspiration, then?
Maria, you do not understand Arabic, you pray in Arabic by rot, why are you telling others to learn Arabic to understand Islam ?
Maria is brainwashed, ignorant and deluded.
And those are her good qualities as a person.
This debate needs an ending with my final words.The fact is Islam gives rights. in islam the word slaves did not mean
" your most obedient servant, lash me, rape me,starve me and put me through all the brutalities since my color is black, sir "
Whoever kept a slave or (people in safe hands) they treated them with all their rights.they fed them what they themselves ate,they clothed them what they wore and even they wed their daughters to them because islam is not a racist and brutal to core religion. In islam poors all colors all races stand in a row to bow before Allah thats the greatness of Islam .What more the atheists the ignorant need to know?
Yeah right, and then you woke up with your thumb in your mouth and a sweaty pillow...we can see what ISIS does in the name of your religion. It is very different from what you describe.
Yeah and then u woke up with a cross on your shoulder mr ripwanwinkle! you rant about isis and u forgot about brutal serb armies what they did in the name of religion.no body is going to buy your selfdefeated and soaked in hatred cheap insulting comments on islam and their followers this lie is dead .you are a born islam hater. and only cowards have that feelings.
Ikramuddin Akbar – great response, just one I would expect. Why are you bringing Serbs into this? What they have done is of course terrible and not justified, but here we talk about islam and isis perpetrated crimes in the name of islam. All religion is just trouble, but islam seems to lead in this way. ISIS – doing exactly as written in you 'holy' book to the word. Your 'religion of peace' is the cancer of today's world. Every rational being can see that. No I was not being born an islam hater, but seeing what ISIS does in the name of islam, and responses such as yours make me really question your lunatic propaganda.
You start like a sane man then you dive into a sordid pool of hatred against islam, and go insane ,you are an atheist i know,so you have the rights reserve to spew on islam whatever it comes out of your mouth. I wonder why God didn't ask you before sending abrahmic messengers to this world. Man you are here to talk against brutality by isis now if they stop and regret for their bad deeds and continue their works gently would that be acceptable to you.?
Tell this to the Christians in the middle east who are continually persecuted i.e. jailed, killed because they are Christians and not Muslim. Tell this to Pastor Saeed Abedini stuck in an Iranian prison for the last two years because of his faith in Jesus Christ. You can't tell me that only radical jihadist muslim groups are enslaving, it is rampant and the evidence is too abundant to ignore.
Muslims are terrorist they don't want live to other he want i am good i am Allah what r u do..? its not right . But Jesus is good Hindus, Buddha, jains are Good. they want to live to other and help to us.
Mr.Modi must have written your comments as i can guess. hire a normal hindu to write for your comments.Muslims brought you from darkness to the light.and now you are in the middle east
You should not criticize other's posts when your own grammar and syntax need revisions. Maybe you should hire someone to type your responses for you properly.
@we love bacon
This applies to you too,u should not make any disgusting interference .this is not an English grammar class.and you are not a teacher hired by the cnn to correct someone .
What are the fruits of Islam today: ISIS, Al Qaida, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, Taliban, Laskar e Taiba, Hibz e Tahrir, muslim brotherhood, Hezbollah, Islamic mujahideen groups in every muslim nation etc. etc. You are judged by the fruits. The muslims are stuck in the middle ages, where are your scientific innovations today, you can pray all you want, but is the Arab God listening ? You can bow all you want to the black stone and to Saudi Arabia and pray in Arabic, but how is that going to improve your standard of living? Look at the gdp of the 57 muslim nations and compare them to the progressive nations in the world. The non-muslim nations are controlling and rule the world today. Arabs/Turks/muslims ruled the world for about 700 years after Muhammad, but quickly the muslim world has deteriorated and today all it depends on is the oil wealth. Look at Christianity, since the death of Jesus Christ and his resurrection, christian's have been blessed and the christian civilization has consistently ruled the world and are leading in the prosperity and scientific innovation's. The civilization that believes in christian Jesus (not muslim Jesus); is the most successful in numbers (2.2 billion people, with about 120 majority christian nations) and still growing. Even the chinese are now accepting christianity in large numbers (in the last some 30 years christian's in china have grown from 10 million to now about 65 million) because the chinese feel that progressive nations are mostly christian. The first lady of America Michele Obama comes from a slave family. The 18 million slaves that went from East Africa to the muslim countries, what is their status ? Do you see the boat people stuck/drowning in Greece, France, Italy etc., they are mostly muslim's trying to leave their muslim lands to christian lands.
"ISIS, Al Qaida, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, Taliban, Laskar e Taiba, Hibz e Tahrir, muslim brotherhood, Hezbollah, Islamic mujahideen groups in every muslim nation etc. etc.". Why are only these people defined as fruits of Islam? Would be interesting and fair if you have number of religious muslims who are not part of any of the above
Professor Bernard Freamon does not seem to know that the "people of the book" he mentioned, condemned for "seeking lordship over another human being" by the Koran, are non-Muslims, not Muslims. The "people of the book", according to Islamic definition, are Jews and Christians, mainly. Not Muslims. So the one verse in the Koran that seems to demand the abolition of slavery only does so for non-Muslim masters? If Professor Freamon does not know this, he is not competent to be writing on this subject, and if he does, he looks like a liar, in my opinion. And why didn't CNN's editors see this mistake?
It's brainwashing at its most basic form. Back when it was being put together, the Quran had so many grammatical fallacies and errors it had to be revised again and again. Since Muslims are not permitted to critique the Quran for fear of death, they are trapped in this never ending void of uncertainty and perverted interpretation by those wishing to fulfill their own selfish interests.
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The author engages in wishful thinking. Throghout the history of Islam, there was never an abolitionist movement as in Christianity. As lately as 1960 there was slavery in Saudi Arabia and today the Saudis don't call their "maids" slaves but they treat them as such. There is still slavery in Mauritania and Sudan. The slave trade towards the Muslim world was worse than anything seen on the Atlantic slave trade and it was only when the abolitionist movement in Great Britain made abolition of slavery a priority that the slave trade was curtailed by the British Navy. As a historian, the author of this piece is a joke.
The small fine print of Islam is this, in Islam it is forbidden to kill, to lie, to take slaves, to steal, to rape, to sodomize anything with a butthole including animals and children. But this is only applied towards other Muslims. Now if you are a Kafir, non-Muslim, nonbeliever, also known as an Infidel, then none of those rules are applied and the Muslim can do whatever the heck they want to non-Muslims. That is the truth of Islam and that is what they are not telling you.
Muslims cannot be reasoned with, or negotiated with, if you do make a treaty with them they will break it sooner or later as it is forbidden to make contracts with non-Muslim countries. This is part of their al-Taqqiya, " the art of lying to the infidel for material gain and/or benefits.
The only way for you to rid yourself of Muslims and their bullies BDSM ideology, is to fight them, to run them out of your country by whatever means that you can do, intimidation, harassment, bullying, kicking their butts, property damage , what ever you can possibly do.
If sharia law is so darn great, the perfect law, the divine law, why hasn't it work in their war-torn hell-hole countries?
Why must all these Muslims seek asylum and refuge in non-Muslim countries?
Because they want the same rules applied in our country, they want to turn our peaceful country into a war-torn hell-hole.
The meaning of jihad is to struggle, and in order to get to their heaven all Muslims must struggle.
What better way to struggle then to turn our peace-loving and respectful country into a war torn hell-hole.
That is why Islam is pure evil.
In Islam there is no diversity. Had it not been for the Crusades, all of Europe and America would be under Islamic law. Islam is trying to take it all away again. What is needed now is another Crusade. This can be done either with a large group of people like government controlled or military, or can be done by each and every non-Muslim that comes in contact with a Muslim in there neck of the woods. Deal with them in your own way. Don't give them jobs as that's how they make their money and procreate like a rats and support/finance their terrorist organizations, and build mosques everywhere.
Whenever you hear Muslims in the west say that ISIS "doesn't represent true Islam," you need to understand one very important thing: that's the extent of their effort. Muslim communities in the West are producing thousands of eager recruits and fighters for ISIS. How many Muslims in the West are so outraged by ISIS that they're volunteering to FIGHT ISIS? Exactly zero. None. Nada. It's simply the "good cop/bad cop" routine on a civilizational scale, and most westerners are too dimwitted to realize it. Have you ever wondered why Muslims in the West aren't spearheading campaigns for free speech in the Muslim world, for religious pluralism, for women's rights, for gay rights, for artistic freedom? BECAUSE THEY DON"T BELIEVE IN ANY OF THOSE THINGS. There are no major organized movements where Muslims in the West are teaching against violent jihad. There are no significant "not in our name" protests by the Muslim community over the horrors of ISIS. It may be true that some Muslims disapprove of the specific methods of ISIS, but THAT IN NO WAY MEANS THEY"RE EVER GOING TO SIDE WITH THE FILTHY KAFIR AGAINST THEIR FELLOW MUSLIMS. The highest value taught in Islam is the supremacy of Islam itself, and that's how a Muslim defines what is right and wrong. If Muslims are beheading and raping Christians, and it advances Islam, then it's good. If Muslims are beheading and raping Christians and it becomes bad publicity and hurts Islam, then it becomes bad. You will notice that whenever Muslim spokesman condemn ISIS, they talk about how ISIS is giving Islam a bad name. That's all they care about, because that's the morality that Islam teaches.
"There is another verse in the Quran, 3:64, that interpreters have argued may actually be explicit authority for abolition."
Translations of the Meanings of the Noble Quran, Surah 3, Verse 64:
Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allâh (Alone), and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh[1]. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims.
Tafsir al-Jalalayn (interpretation of Quranic Surah 3, Verse 64):
Say: ‘O People of the Scripture!, Jews and Christians, come now to a word agreed upon (sawā’, is the verbal noun, meaning mustawin amruhā, ‘[a word] regarding which the matter is upright’) between us and you, and it is, that we worship none but God (allā is [made up of] an-lā, ‘that…not’) and that we do not associate anything with Him, and do not take each other for lords, beside God’, as you have taken rabbis and monks; and if they turn their backs, in rejection of God’s Oneness, say, you to them: ‘Bear witness that we have submitted’, [that we are of] those who affirm the Oneness of God.
Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs (interpretation of Quranic Surah 3, Verse 64):
After this, Allah invited them to accept Allah's divine Oneness, saying: (Say: O People of the Scripture. Come to an agreement) the agreement is: there is no god except Allah (between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah) we shall declare Allah as the only One God, (and that we shall ascribe no partners unto Him) from among created beings, (and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah) that none of us shall obey another person in that which involves a transgression against Allah. (And if they turn away) and refuse to accept Allah's divine Oneness, (then say: Bear witness) know (that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him)) and acknowledge His divine Oneness and worship Him.
This guy is no legit scholar....
SLAVERY is in the Qur'an and Hadiths. It's covered under 'what the right-hand possesses' is halal i.e. lawful.
Gain a deeper insight: http://quran.com/search?q=slave
Islamic law is based on the words and example of Mohammad. Mohammad beheaded prisoners by the hundreds and took non-muslim female prisoners as s-x slaves, See e.g.. Safiyah. He and his men even discussed in very specific detail how best to r-pe them in case they decided to hold them for ransom instead of as permanent s-x slaves. ISIS are simply practicing salafi islam according to the rules of jihad, which permit such actions. Muslims were not in an "era of jihad" in the past hundred or so years. With the creation of the Islamic state and the designation of the a new Caliph, the rules of jihad now apply, including the taking of Quranically sanctioned "Right hand Possessions" . . . And they have NEVER changed. Form the author of the Saudi curriculum:
Search:
Sheikh Fawzan, author of the Saudi curriculum:
"Slavery is part of Jihad"
Oh, and by they way . . .If it's the one I think it is, I read that "Letter by prominent scholars" that you mention. If you know how to understand what your reading, you will see that they take great pains to argue that the Yazidis are not true pagans but "Medeans" – a specific subgroup that are discussed in Islamic literature who qualify as "People of the Book." That's important because, unlike true pagans who are only given the choice of conversion or death/enslavement under Islamic law during jihad, "People of the Book" have a third option – to retain their religion, pay the jizyah and live as abject second class citizens in an Islamic law as long as they act with "willing submission and feel themselves subdued." (Q 9:29) (kinda like the Christians in Saudi Arabia and Iran who get arrested form proselytizing or accepting converts in present day). Thus, the "Scholars" weren't arguing contesting or arguing against the s-xual enslavement of pagans during jihad, they were arguing that the Yazidis had been wrongly classified by ISIS and should have been given the third choice. . . . THAT'S your modern day scholarship, my dear.
The Koran and Mohammed are both one big fraud. Quoting what is false to begin with, or some ancient scholar of fakery, or the fact that people have been fooled for over 1,000 years, doesn't make it true.
Mohammed was a psychopath, and Islam is the path of brutality, ignorance and oppression. But then, so is conventional Christianity.
"This argument is plainly wrong, hypocritical and astonishingly ahistorical, relying on male fantasies inspired by stories from the days of imperial Islam. . . ."
In other words, Islam's canonical history: the Hadith.
Now, what to do about the license given, quite specifically, in the "eternal and uncreated" Quran?
Islamic law means what ever the imam interpreting the Koran, the Hadith, or previous interpretations says it means. Islam has no hierarchy of order or authority or responsibility. Its not only decentralized but its anarchy. An imam is like a preacher, but not like a priest or minister and an imam is any man who gets some other men over on Friday afternoon for prayers. Lest we forget power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
As long as imams continue to use sharia to broker political power, which means the sole legitimate use of violence, there will be continual violence.
Is that why the author of the Saudi Curriculum, one the most prominent authorities on Sunni islam, has ALSO justified the taking of slaves during jihad? (Search Sheik Fawzan, "slavery is part of jihad.")
It's just amazing that in 2014 people read the quaran or bible and believe all the dogma in them. It's an indication that we have not progressed in rational and analytic thought since caveman days.
All of the monotheistic religions condone slavery But only the Muslims still practise it. i have yet to hear an Imam or Moslem scholar condemn it. You are creating a false Islam so that it will lessen criticism.
On the contrary, it is ISIS that insists on adhering to true Islam and not to any modern interpretations. you are just an apologist trying to make Islam more in tune with present mores. ISIS and other fundamentalists are not buying it.
It is not important what Islamic law says, it is important what the Koran says. After all, Sharia is a human interpretation (by males, of course) of what they believe (or want to believe) the Koran says. Muslims need to admit that their law is not that of Mohammad, it is one of man and then move on. For example, the calls for women to cover themselves head to toe is nowhere in the Koran, which merely says one should dress modestly. And, "modestly" is 100% cultural, not religious.
The taking of female s*x slaves is specifically authorized in the Quran. They're called "right hand possessions."
"Islamic law" has justified and encouraged slavery since Mohammed himself was forcing the wives and children of his victims into life-long slavery.
If the story is fact and the comments also then why is it that Moslems adhering to the Quran as anti-slavery and all the other acts of the radical Islamist do not condemn such acts and rise up en-masse to fight against the fanatics? Could it be they silently approve?
They may or may not approve. What they DO know, beyond all doubt, is that they cannot win the theological argument. Not with these men, or any other Salafi. That is why they stay silent.
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If this professor is correct, how is it that so many adherents an imams, some with PhDs in Islamic studies, misunderstand their religion?
It seems all the wrongs in the world of organised religion come from books written hundreds and thousands of years ago when none of us were around to debate the contents .
The contents could just as easy be a fantasy just out of somebody's head or a dream some nutter had one night and thought God was talking to him .
When I die I will either get the truth or just rot ........... Cant wait ...
"When you're indoctrinated with a certain religion, it's difficult to fathom that your god is imaginary. But when you start to study other religions besides your own it become clear: Each god behaves and thinks exactly like the specific culture it came from." – Pete H Pannke
If god, in whatever name you wish to say, was truly omniscient and omnipresent shouldn't rights, "'like the rights to be free from genocide, torture, racial discrimination and piracy,"' have been preempted in all holy scriptures. Instead we are left with stories in holy books about rampaging believers who have authority given to them from on high to commit great atrocities. Maybe, and fingers crossed it's true, people shouldn't be deriving their ethical and moral principles from books that view the world as it was thousands of years ago. Lastly, if these scriptures are the word of god and they no longer conform to accepted moral principles, perhaps we should ignore the scriptures completely instead of trying to rework them to fit our current lifestyles.
ISIS = ISLAAM... Killing/prosecution apostate, critic to islam, pedophilia legalization in not NOT ONLY by ISIS.. it is also LEGAL in Islamic Shariah country e.g. Saudi, Pakistan, Afghan, Sudan, Yemen, Iran... ISIS, Palestine, AlQaeda, Boko Haram, Pakistan, Saudi...they all share same value ISLAMIC SHARIAH..
It is amazing how less you know about pakistan, yemen and sudan and iran, there is no Islamic Shariah in these countries to begin with, well you have to know your world better, that is what i will suggest you do.
Bunch of towel heads who wish to live in the 7th century.
Oh did I call my fellow Muslims towel heads..??
I am ashamed to call these ignorant towel heads my fellow Muslim brothers and sisters.
They belong in the 7th century and Western countries should do everything to accommodate their wish.
Well written article and I applaud the author for a well established argument that differentiates between the religion of Islam and some practices of Muslims in different eras. What ISIS is doing is shameful and does nothing but justifies rape and torture for a dominating male fantasy.
You cannot rebut my comments, so you steal my name and write what you wish I had written, rather than what is true.
The fact of the matter is, Mohammad was a warmongering, thieving, r*ping, torturing, murdering, enslaving peadoph*le. He personally oversaw the beheading of more than 800 jewish prisoners. He r*ped and enslaved their women and children. He assassinated his critics (e.g. Asma Bint Marwan, Abu Afak); He had s*x with a nine-year old, forever sacralizing peadoph*lic marriage for females; and he tortured people to death in order to plunder their wealth (e.g. Kinana).Worse still, there is no wiggle room in the theology -by definition, it CANNOT EVER be fully contextualized.
ISIS and every other group engaged in similar actions are following the words and example of Mohammad and the instructions in the Quran to a tee.
Continuing to accept Mohammad as a moral example – or worse still, ignoring the truth while attempting to disclaim any connection – provides cover and support to people like ISIS. This is the reason countries in this region struggle so with civil society and careen back and forth between viciously islamists civil wars and brutal, more secular minded dictatorships. Churchill was right: " . . . how bitter are the curses which Mohammadanism lays on its votaries. . . ."
The scholar who wrote this article finds a few verses in the "glorious" Koran that are anti-slavery and conveniently ignores the many verses that allow, even require slavery. He is therefore guilt of the same sort of "cherry-picking" as ISIS. Fortunately, anyone interested can look it up.
Funny people..ha ha..who think they know Islam more than muslims themselves do.
So if I am a peaceful muslim BECAUSE of my religious teachings – I don't represent Islam. If I am a violent muslim BECAUSE of my religious teachings – I represent Islam. (Even though out of millions or billions of muslims, the former way outnumber the latter)
When people tell you of verses in Qur'an prohibiting violence, you remind them there are verses encouraging violence. When people tell you of verses in Qur'an encouraging violence, you keep silent about the opposite.
Haha whatever..so maybe your purpose of existence is to prove Islam is a problematic religion, then ok, u can have it. Though I wonder how many muslims you personally know who have tried to kill you
If you want to follow your religion exactly then you see so much violence and killing in your books, Qoran and Hadith , it is not normal. The arrogance of hate towards unbelievers etc. Another strange thing is that on one page you see one thing and on another page another. Very confusing. I don't think that God would change his mind from one moment to the other. So if it is God inspired....?
There are one and a half billion muslims in the world. Obviously not every single one of them wil be acting out what is said in their books. Even if you are a so called moderate moslim you will not be terrorising people. That is left to a group who does not mind getting killed. One thing is certain is that the great majority of the left over ones do support the smaller group . For the simple reason that they are doing jihad in the name of Allah and for their religion.This is the greatest danger. Islam is the one and only religion that is making war ALL over the world in the name of Allah and Mohammad. Does that not say enough?
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It the author is to be believed, that the Koran provides guidance for the eventual freeing of slaves, then why did it take so long, until 1962, for the country which provides custodianship of the Two Holy Mosques, Saudi Arabia, to pass a law which effectively emancipated their slaves?
If the statement "...there has been a Muslim consensus on the prohibition of slavery for over a century." is true, why did Saudia Arabia and Yemen only outlaw slavery in 1962 under outside pressure?
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Unfortunately there are always those apologists who try to find a line here and there to disclaim this or that. The truth of the matter is that wherever muslims reigned, there were slaves and other misery. In the Qoran and in the Hadith there are so many things that are contradictory . Therefore one can say anything and therefore it cannot be the word of God. Muslims pride themselves on the words , where it says that if you kill one person you have killed all of mankind. This proves to them that Islam is Peace. How do they explain that their god also tells the muslims to kill all infidels and much more. For those of us who do not know the Qoran, we have to be careful not to be manipulated.
Simply follow the life of mohamed, as he is the exemplary muslim.
If you do like mohamed, you are doing the work allah. You cannot be in the wrong in the eye of islam.
islam would never criticize anything , mohamed did.
You look at the last 9 year of his life, and you truly see ISIS as it is.
The story is not of a mad man, pillaging, illing, rapping and enslaving in his younger year.. and later changed.
No, mohamed life become more and more violent and oppressive as he grew older.
Also, he was poisoned to death before he had the chance to inflict more horrible pain on human kind.
(Beside mohamed hatred of Jews, his murder is another reason many muslim have no love for Jews)
Islam is rooted in the some of the worse violence against man kind in history.
Most under the sword of the prophet mohamed himself. slaves trading, raping, pedophilia on 9 year old, slaughter and decapitation, tortures for money, you name it.. mohamed did it.
And Islam is based on the emulation of this man mohamed and all his horrible deed of violance.
Also as a general his order where brutal and without mercy.
muslim know very little about their own so called religion, specially in regard to their prophet.
If this man lived today he would be put to death, or spend his life in jail, for crimes against humanity...
And it seem many here also have a selective reading of the books of islam and the oppression the world was under each caliphate. Specially the millions that endure slavery, and the countless genocide for allah over the centuries.
Like the author, reading all books is necessary to fully understand islam. Something the Islamic State clearly did.
Thats why many of the atrocities we see are lifted, word for word, out of the life of mohamed.
Ask ANY mulsim if mohamed did wrong, or that mohamed didn't live a life that allah fully approved of.
ISIS is not radical or extreme, they simply follow islam and the teaching of mohamed. as all the other caliphate before did them.
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Religions brainwash individuals -especially Islam – especially low IQ Muslims. You'll find them everywhere. They're not educated, were never raised properly. Never met foreigners in their lives and so are closed minded. Teaching these people Islam is like giving an M16 to a chimpanzee. I guess the fault is both in Islam and the type of Muslims who try to understand it. Religion is a very dangerous weapon, because it is made up by humans, who just want control.
Problem is, that if even the highest authority in Islam in Al Azhar in Cairo says exactly the same thing, it means it has nothing to do with low IQ. It is the low IQ's who will not contest these verses. Other high IQ's will follow them because they are excited about being in a religion which will conquer the world and they will be the leaders. Subjugating all the "unbelievers" etc. This religion is not "acting" as a religion, it is a political ideology , with a brainwashing method. In Communism it was the same , even the most intelligent people were brainwashed to believe in the communist ideal. The problem is with these ideologies is the fact that they are totalitarian, and therefore if you are living in their community, you HAVE to agree with them and follow their rules, otherwise there is grave punishment awaiting you.
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What I know is that the prophet, after conquest, would kill the men and take the women and children as slaves. Therefore there is no necessity in "studying" anything. The acts of the prophet have been copied throughout history and we see it until today. It is a FACT that the prophet is the perfect example of a man(?) and he should be followed . That is also why a certain number of men in some countries marry girls of 9 years old because they are just following the footsteps of their prophet. The same goes for anything else.
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