Don’t miss: Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore talk to Piers Morgan live on “Piers Morgan Tonight,” Thursday at 9 p.m. ET on CNN.
Movie star couple Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher are launching a new campaign Monday against child sex slavery.
A host of other stars, including Justin Timberlake and Sean Penn, signed up for "Real Men Don't Buy Girls" aimed at stopping people buying underage girls for sex.
The Demi and Ashton Foundation, or DNA Foundation, hopes to raise awareness of the global problem that is also a curse in small towns and big cities across the United States.
Kutcher told CNN: "We want to create a cultural shift in the way men and women view young people selling themselves for sex."
He added: "Sex trafficking is an elastic trade. If you can raise the price for sex you can actually reduce the demand. As you reduce the demand that raises the price.
"[That means] you can, ultimately, put it out of business, and the way to do that is by attacking the demand because the supply is endless."
The "real men" campaign highlights the brutal reality of children forced into prostitution and gives advice on how people can help, even without leaving their home.
It features videos of male stars doing "real man" jobs like shaving and ironing, and then offers users the chance of a supporting role by getting their own photo into the videos and sharing it with online friends.
Join the campaign and check out more videos
In the United States there are 100,000 to 300,000 American children between 11 and 14 who are vulnerable to being sold for sex every year, according to Shared Hope's 2009 National Report on Domestic Minor Sex Trafficking.
The report emphasizes any child can fall victim to the sex traffickers but highlights abused kids, children of drug users and runaways as particularly at risk.
Another problem identified by Shared Hope is that child sex slaves are often misidentified as prostitutes, and therefore criminals, rather than a trafficked child, and therefore the victim.
Kutcher said: "Right now most of these girls, if they are arrested, end up in juvey being prosecuted as opposed to be treated like a victim of rape. For the most part the guy is not charged with statutory rape which he should be."
To cut the demand side of the sex trade, Kutcher said: "First and foremost is do not participate, either you or your friends. If it's your friend then you say "I don't want to hang out with someone participating in that because you're hurting people."
"Secondly people can advocate for stronger laws supporting the rights of the victims. There are only six U.S. states that treat the girl like the victim."
He added: "I have seen guys make that decision to buy sex and when the girl shows up it's not something to brag about but at the same time it's not something anybody considers to be that awful.
"If we are going to make a social shift it can no longer be acceptable."
The DNA Foundation aims to eliminate child sex slavery worldwide. With its "real men" initiative it hopes to educate Americans that the problem is in their home towns as well, and includes American kids suffering.
Kutcher said: "The best way to measure success of "Real men don't buy girls" would be the number of people who drive through to our action tabs [on the website] and start taking pro-active steps like cleaning up the web by flagging those pages where there is most likely underage solicitation taking place.
"The internet is littered with this kind of stuff. If people put on their 'internet police badges' and they start enforcing that their internet is not going to have this type of transaction on it we will be able to see those metrics."
Are any of these Celebrities fighting to end the Slavery of close to 20 million Illegal Immigrants of the hands of Economical-Political Groups? IF you want to clean the house of your neighbors, start cleaning yours.
What in the world? No one can campaign against one social problem unless they campaign against another social problem first. Why? How about we applaud their efforts to stop the sexual slavery of children? That seems like a GREAT place to start.
No, no, no, before you do anything you have to first do something else. And that other thing you did first doesn't count unless it was preceded by another thing which in and of itself must be qualified by being done after another valid thing, etc. and so on.
Didn't you know that?
CNN YOU NEED TO FIX THE PROBLEMS ON YOUR OTHER ARTICLE THREADS. PEOPLE IN MONTERY CA CAN'T PRINT COMMENTS.
we need to fight against prostitution first because here in Kenya when you go to the street where sex worker find their customers you see small girls who are under age from i2 to 18 years old and i feel so sad,and i don't think their are doing this because they want to.
about time people stop wasting their money on PETA. This is bigger, more important and 100 times more difficult to face because it involves human beings, not animals, that have stories to tell with psychological and physical scars.
Why,exactly,does it always have to either/or with people like you?
They should get his economics straight. If you reduce demand, the price goes up? Since when? And also how is he going to increase the price in order to reduce demand? Put a tax on it? Would the higher price only increase the supply? That entire paragraph didn't make sense at all. But the purpose of the effort is still worthy, I guess.
Humans are animals.
The protection of animals is very important as is the protection of people. There's no choice here...both need protection and neither one of them should be sacrificed for the other. They both deserve our utmost efforts. As a matter of fact, animals need more protection...they're totally innocent and unable to protect themselves from predators out there. People can speak up and get what they need.
Humans are the most destructive animal on earth!! Look how we treat/destroy each other! Look how we destroy our habitat!
Move the hypocrites from one place to another. Demi Moore sure did not mind capitalizing on her sexuality to gain fame. She even got a boob job for a movie called "Striptease".....and then wonder why the country is so sexualized.
A) Learn how to spell
B) Learn how to capitalize
C) No, we are not all immigrants
Have a nice day
No, idiot, we are not all immIgrants. I was born here. My parents were born here. Their grandparents came here legally and proudly, not skulking across the border at night becoming a criminal. Quit confusing legal immigrants with illegal aliens.
You are embarrassing me.
I'm not an immigrant. I was born in the USA, and my parents, who were immigrants, arrived in the USA legally.
Even if your relatvies came here legally, you are still an immigrant
The majority of us Americans are descendants of immigrants or immigrants. White people came to this continent and literally killed the Native Americans by means of weapons or the diseases that were brought to this continent and Native Americans did not have immune protection from.
To Boogala Boogala
You have to be a Native American if you claim that you are not an immigrant or a descendant of immigrants
To RM V2.0
You have to be a very ignorant person. The grandparents of your parents WERE immigrants. You are a descendent of immigrants unless you are a Native American
Busted2010 – seriously? I bet you're a proud holder of a GED...
They're working to protect children from predators. It's a very noble cause. And all that you can do is denigrate it by dragging the discussion into your own little partisan political world. Post that stuff in forums where it belongs and allow these people to get on with their important work.
You resemble a common misspelling known as P H A G.
That's you homie. Grow a pair of testes and fk a chick, maybe you will be able to spout something a lil' less uh.... feminine.
No. Illegal immigrants are in a position to be taken advantage of to some degree because they are not here legally. Slaves are not infrequently raped numerous times per day as their body is rented out by a pimp. There's a subtle difference. Also, they ARE getting their own house in order–slavery is a problem in the US as well as around the world. Emphasizing the US population at risk helps get the public engaged, which helps end the problem for everyone.
Whatever Dude.... Applause to these two for getting to the real issue. Stop promoting sex for sale by not buying it.
My people have been in the US since the 1600's. I am not an immigrant. I am a United States citizen.
Yes, we are all immigrants even the "native" americans did not just arise here they probably came across a land bridge from Siberia generations ago. So they are the original immigrants but no more "native" than me!
"Immagrants". Classic. LOL
WOOHOOOO! CAPS LOCK WONDER!!
Isn's she about Thirty years older than him?????????????? Who da slave??????
Great point. When she was like 40 he was still a kid. You can't tell me that it wasn't just a sex thing with her.
If you are going to apply that standard to this couple, why overlook 84 year old Hugh Hefner and his 24 year old bride. That's a sixty year age difference as opposed to Ashton's and Demi's 15 year age difference. In any case, all of them were consenting adults when they met and when they married.
When Demi was 40, Ashton was 25.
Who cares about the difference in their ages? That's their business. Let them put all of the time and money into getting this horrible trade wiped out.
Yo Adnyl, great wordplay man, had me goin' there. What's the wordplay on TERROIST ? (and does it have any relation with your CAPS LOCK fetish?)
Fighting about things done hundreds of years ago is far less important than working to prevent and to stop the slavery that is occurring today. Today, no person–regardless of whether than are a first-generation legal immigrant, a native american, an undocumented migrant worker, or a random middle class American teen from Ohio or Nevada–should be held as a slave.
yeh some people actually NATIVE AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
immigrant-a person who migrates to another country, usually for permanent residence. Nope.... doesnt say anything about parents.
My ancestors are illegal immigrants. They came into this country and disrespected those who already inhabited it. One day they simply became citizens of the United States.
Oh, did I mention they came over in the 1600s?
So you were born on U.S. soil, big deal. Half of you don't remember the Pledge of Allegiance or the words to the Star Spangled Banner, the other half can't pinpoint their home town on a U.S. atlas. So much for waving a little flag that was made in China every Fourth of July...
Perhaps you should read the article again? Does it not say American kids???? This IS a worldwide problem, and it's being addressed on a worldwide level – usually from within the country affected. We speak often with woman who are trying to make changes in countries other than the U.S.
Like here in Kenya we have an N.G.O organization called SOLWODI in full is solidarity with women in distress,this NGO deals with commercial sex workers,children in sexual exploitation and victims of human trafficking and people who are affected with HIV.T
Like here in Kenya we have an N.G.O organization called SOLWODI in full is solidarity with women in distress,this NGO deals with commercial sex workers,children in sexual exploitation and victims of human trafficking and people who are affected with HIV.This organization believes that every individual has a right to better life,therefore,the organization is committed to empowering disadvantaged women and children through education and skills building to enable them realize their full potential .So i think other countries they should open an organization that will help to reduce this kind of issues .
While this is a real problem, especially in the Third World, citing Shared Hope's 2009 National Report on Domestic Minor Sex Trafficking is doing a disservice to the issue. The report is junk science and a complete fraud.
So let's reverse this. Why aren't you, the anit-immigration groups and social conservatives fighting to end sex slavery? Many are brought here illegally, under aged and forced to have sex. Why are you trying to change the subject? Are you a Real Man?
Real men also value the truth and dont like be made a fool of with lies about the numbers.
That's just not true. If you're descended from slaves does that make you a slave? People born in the U.S. are not immigrants. Your ancestors may have been immigrants but that does not mean you are. No more than descendants of slaves are slaves. Now, descendants of idiots are a different matter all together!
If you go back far enough, even the native americans are immigrants.
Yeah, "Real men dont buy girls" is a great motto for guys that have girls of all ages, especially underage ones, practically breaking down their doors for free. Ashton never bought a girl but i am sure he RENTED plenty of them. Are we really supposed to believe that these celebrity men have such high morals that they carded every hooker or pro they ever paid for? I bet not.
what a dummy
Funny, in my economics class we learned that if you decrease demand you decrease price. Maybe this is Kutchernomics.
Yago–It is all a matter of perspective and how far back you want to take it. By your reasoning, anyone living outside of Africa is an immigrant as that is where all our ancestors originated. The movement of people around the world has a checkered history, some good, some bad. None of us has any say in where we are born. We only have some say in what we do and where we go after that. I don't know where you live or how long your ancestors came there. If you feel strongly about the justice or injustice of the movement of people around the world and think everyone should return to their ancestral lands or have to accept the blame for whatever injustices you wish to assign to ancestral immigrants, i hope you are prepared to apply the same standard to yourself.
Native Americans are immigrants as well if we use the metric of your ancestors coming from somewhere else to this continent. Hell, by that metric, white people are immigrants to Europe.
gd, you are the idiot. I am a native American, I was born here from parents that were born here, and they were born for parents that were born here. I am not an immigrant, no matter how much you whine and snivel about it.
I hope Demi and Aston contribute millions of their own money so the rest of us can be convinced this is not just a publicity ploy on their part.
We would love to start cleaning house to remove the illegal immigrant problem. Yago, got any suggestions on how to "clean house"? That too would help to end sexual slavery in the US. There are lots of under age illegal immigrant brothels catering to the migrant workers.
Some people just love to bitch, no matter what.
I think the government should make more money and give everybody 10 grand.
what is this going to do? i think everyone kinda understands that children sex slaves are a bad thing... and if you still purchase them then i don't think you care what these celebrities have to say about. Also i liked the part with Ashton Kutcher saying hes been around people that bought child prostitutes that were ugly but not fugly.... i don't know about you people but i don't think i know anyone that would buy one let alone have a friend with them while they were. what does that say about him?
The point that's being made with this campaign is that we need to change the way we view forced prostitution in general and child prostitution in particular, so that men no longer view either practice as acceptable. While the supply is endless, the demand can diminish if laws against slavery were enforced and those who engage child prostitutes were charged with statutory rape. Reform in this area of law enforcement and jurisprudence would go a long way to removing the appeal of cheap sex and put doubt in the minds of johns.
Cultural shift, however, is the key. Some men will bristle at yet another intrusion on "masculine culture", but men are also husbands, fathers and brothers. It may seem a throwback, but appealing to the protective side of men will get them on board.
No actually we are not all immigrants...maybe just you are. I am a settler, educate yourself.
wow thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard, I didn't come to this country my grandparents did, since I was born here i'm not an immigrant. I hope your in 2nd grade and took your mom's computer because if not its sad...
And if you want to clean your own house, you should first cut taxes for the wealthy and stop gays from marrying. That's where all good deeds must start. Without that,. you haven't done a thing.
I'm waiting for some ultra-conservative to sit down with me and explain how cutting taxes for the wealthy would help the economy in any way, shape, or form. The United States isn't any better when the rich could buy more yachts and homes in Beverly Hills and the Hamptons.
CNN- WHY CAN'T I WRITE COMMENTS ON YOUR OTHER THREADS. PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE PEOPLE THAT VISIT THIS SITE WHAT HAS HAPPEN. ON SOME OF THE THREADS THE PRINT WAS GIBBERISH. AT FIRST IT LOOKED LIKE SOMEONE HAD HACKED THE SITE AND EVERYTHING PRINTED IN ARABIC. IT HAS NOW BEEN 10 HOURS.
CNN WHAT'S UP? CAN'T PRINT COMMENTS ON MOST OF YOUR OTHER THREADS, IS THIS A PROBLEM ONLY RELATED TO CNN COMMENT COLUMN, WAS THIS SOME SORT OF VIRAL ATTACK ON CNN, OR A PROBLEM OF MY CARRIER AT&T?. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. This comment comes from Monterey CA.
Native Americans were immigrants way back. Your point is stupid. Mankind started in Africa.
Well said! And to gd, too! The only difference between being an inmigrant and an illegal inmigrant is time unless one is a Native American Indian and even they come from somewhere else! So, stop being too proud of "being born here" because a while back you did not exist "here" neither your parents or grandparents or whoever. Do you get the point?
Besides, soon this country will belong to those despised by racist people!!!
It seems reasonable to ask that some one practice their problem solving skills on themselves before trying to solve world problems. Especially when they have a great many unsolved problems of their own.
"We are all immigrants" is wetback logic to justify sneaking into the country illegally. Not a single ancestor in my family came here illegally and zero sucked free services from Gubment. My family helped build this country without diluting the gene pool.
These clueless idiots that state "we are all immigrants" need to get it through their thick heads that intelligent life will never buy illegal alien logic. Come here the right way or hit the highway.
All men pay for their women, its just the currency isn't always in dollars.
Man you are all clueless. No one is an immigrant and no one is a non-immigrant. People come to the land they are on from other lands since the beginning of time. So... who owned the land originally? Who is the first to have their land stolen from them by others? The answer is simple= pond scum is the first ethnic group to be robbed of its' native lands. Yep! Some stinking piece of pond scum evolved into a slimy toad and crawled out onto land and formed a coalition with other slimy toad like creatures and they forcibly removed the pond scum from the water to make it cleaner and prettier looking for slightly less slimy lizard creatures to build mud hut style condos on the water front.
I am forming a commission to study the historical dessimation of pond scum in the beginning of time. Please send money orders, cash, or credit (no checks please) to the following adress.................... and remember, your money really helps eradicate the social and economic injustices inflicted on pond scum for all these millions of years. Thank you and Satan bless thy day!
And some of us are immigrants who came to the US legally, when through the entire process, and are now proud Americans.
So just because they are not involved in the cause you feel is important than you feel they are not doing something worthwhile?
Wake up! Child sex slavery IS IN OUR backyard!!!
It's not something that only happens abroad!
I was traded for sex to buy drugs by my own mother from the time I was 5 and I lived in middle class America!!!
This abuse is more prevalent than most people think.
Perhaps you should stop condemning people who are trying to do good and start applauding them.
I wish I could be a sex slave for young hot Asian women
Brett, you're an asshole, a complete and utter, useless asshole.
You said it MG !
Fuck off, WG!
I agree Brett you're an idiot!
Hey Thor? Do you suck dick with that mouth?
Where is the moderator here?
Nice one Brett.
Best comment of all day.
Are you sure you'd be...er...up to it?
nope this is the best comment
Sure. Awesome if, by awesome, you mean sick and infantile.
I think he means awesome, as in hilarious.
yeh all these "hot" NOT asians all over internet for buy, they need stop it....
This world is doomed.Like a big zit ready to get poped.
just an example of another male not getting what rape and forced sex slavery does to a girl or a women... after all its just sex right Brett?
i truly doubt that you know the true effects of it either, at least we can make light of others misfortune. if they were here we wouldn't be making fun of them. what kinda of people do you think we are? we would be seeing if we could get a group rate.
Your getting it a bit turned around. He is offering to be the slave.....not the women.
Oh look a raping, child-molesting pervert of Asian girls. His mom would be proud....or did Brett sleep with his mom too?
the family that sleeps together stays together
The next thing will be child blow up dolls, its a sick world.
a family that sleeps together, stays together jealousy robbing the innocence from others, in particular, children because their mommy/daddy/cousin/uncle didn't give a crap about protecting them, so they have nothing to live for except to make others as empty and evil as they are all because their family couldn't play together and stay together like a normal family prays together and stays together.
I'd pay money to see that Brett, lol. I will bring the black latex and a bit.
This is an issue that is close to my heart for a number of reasons. I am happy that People that society looks up to have taken a stand on this issue. Sex Slavery is an issue that is mostly overlooked. Its a huge problem that effects alot of young people all over the world, not just in the places that most people expect.
why dont you, movie stars, stop first degrading young girls portraying them as sex symbol
I have to agree with you Moris. Also, why is CNN trying to promote this by using celebrities that may be an underlying cause to the problem. I would have more respect for Celebs who at least showed change in their own lives. No one is asking for perfection, but displaying self control and some type of morality is a component of these issues, and Hollywood displays none of this.
Seriously? Someone who is well-known and well-liked, even if you dislike him, is speaking out against slavery, and your response is he probably caused it? Praise people for the good work that they do–even if you condemn them because you believe they are immoral for doing something else. And do not insult someone by saying they are responsible for child sex trafficking when you have no evidence. Hollywood can do more to help. Don't condemn them when they try.
i am so tired of every man movie having to have a stripper or prostitute as a heroin or some woman raped for male entertainment. seems to just be a given when making a macho male movie
You need to change your choice of movies
i have pretty much stopped watching movies and tv.
Amen Spikette! Of course it would help if women didn't sign up for the roles and had more respect for themselves. But you're absolutely right! And now every immature male (redundant I know) will say "but a movie isn't worth watching unless a woman is stripping or getting laid".
Lisa, we get it, you have unresolved issues about men that you find impossible to keep to yourself, best of luck with your sympathy-hunt.
Yeah, a perfect example is the new Camelot series on Starz. I just watched most of the first episode 9 I fell asleep before it finished). There were nude sex scenes with each of the central characters except one (that's at least 7 characters if I remember correctly) plus clothed sex going on in the background of a few scenes. There was so much sex that the show came off as a high grade soft porn flick more than a dramatic retelling of the Arthur legend.
Moris: You are 100% correct! And also the morality of selling sex whether you are underage or not should be addressed. Last I checked, prostitution was illegal in this country.
if it fly's, floats or f@*k~ then it should be rented.
Not everywhere it isn't. Check Nevada.
Ever hear of Nevada?
A woman, aren't you? Bet you're in favor of jailing so-called 12 year-old pedophiles, too. Young people are sexual, you know.
Prostitution is not illegal in this country. It is up to the State/Local government.
Here is what it is all about. It is not about slavery. It is about prostitution. You see, women cannot bear the thought of a willing woman benig available to a man for uncommitted sex. They loose control of the situation when they can no longer use sex to control men.....and they talk about slavery.
Many of these women also say abortion is thier right. So they think women should own thier body with respect to abortion, but the State should own that same body with respect to prostitution.
All celebs could be included, not just movie stars. I'm thinking of Donald Trump and the young, foreign brides that he "buys"....plus other young women he shows up with.
@Pat in IL. There is a big difference between a woman making a choice as and adult where she has the freedom to change her mind and leave (even if you dont like it), and a minor child being forced to do something through the threat of violence. Get off your soap box and use a little common sense.
I have known two of his brides and they all have been educated and of age.I think he will be our next president !
god help us all Alicia.
How much of a difference is there between someone 17 years 364 days old, and someone 18. Or 16 in some states. Used to be 14 in some.
why dont you, movie stars, stop first degrading young girls portraying them as sex symbol .
I agree totally that Hollywood is the no. 1 promoter of these kinds of violence. The way in which young women have been abused is totally outrageous. Naked women in food commercials, naked women in toiletries commercials, even household commercials is disgusting. Why don't they have naked men in all of these commercials? Sex slavery has a source, attack that source then you solve the problem.
I AGREE BUT JUST AS THE STORY PROMOTES THE IDEA OF NOT BUYING THE PRODUCT YOU DO HAVE THAT CHOICE.,,,IM NOT YELLING sorry but there are a lot of great movies out there get on the web travel to you local hindu pakistan or african market store you will be amazed at what you can find for quality home based good for family entertainment!
These women are used to sell a product. Unless a man is a homosexual, naked men won't work.
i dont know jesus. i am thinking i am going to buy husband some old spice.
Jesus, you seem to be of the false assumption that only heterosexual men buy products.
I do agree that a big part of the problem is American marketing/advertising via movies, video games, music, commercials, etc. Sex is constantly pushed in our face to sell something. Our God-given sex drives are not the sin, but corporations using our sensitive sex drives to sell products easily is a sin. American corporations are marketing experts targeting our emotional/sexual hormonel. While sex is constantly thrown at us, it's unnaturally increasing our already strong sexual emotions. It's by the sheer goodness of God that everyone in this country are not a cheating, child-molesting, homosexual freak.
Just take a look at the music videos and how they exploit women. Yet we continue to give these "entertainers" awards and promote their music by buying it and listening to it. Every day that passes it seems we have less and less principles. Pretty soon they'll just lower the legal age of consent to 12 or 14 and it won't be illegal anymore. That's how we fix things in the US now, we just lower the standards.
The age of consent is 14 in Alabama.
Most other states it is 16.
These are all the same actors and Hollywood scum who can't understand why the U.S. won't drop charges against Roman Polanski. Roman Polanski was applauded by the actor's guild and motion picture academy. So are they saying if you're a Hollywood mogul, it's alright to have sex with minors?
Roman Polanski got screwed up in the head when his then wife of just over a year, Sharon Tate, was murdered by the Manson Family in his home while he wasn't there, along with 3 other friends. Not only that, but she was pregnant with his baby...that same blood used to write "Helter Skelter" all over the walls of his California home. Searching for happiness again, he then looked for that rising "star" just like Tate was and hooked up with a younger 15-17 year old. A year after that...a 13 year old. That was 30+ years ago. Definitely not ok, but that is why you may not see as much venom being spewed as usual. Some tend to show understanding of what was happening to Polanski at the time and why some wouldn't mind to see him be able to come back. Right, wrong, or indifferent....real talk.
the man raped a 13 yr old. then he ran away and hid from prosecution. he did not serve his time. anyone else who ran from prosecution would be held accountable. bad things happen to people from the time they are little children and defenseless that help to create their adult world. we still prosecute their criminal behavior.
This is getting annoying! people say that they are trying to help the children, but what about these children who grow up to be women? They are still treated like criminals. If a girl/woman wants to sell her body to make a little cash, that's fine with me. It shouldn't be a crime to a woman to entertain men, it should be a crime for men to pay for this service. If one were to offer all of these horrid scum bags buying the girls three hots and a cot for ten years then you would see supply drop because demand would fall. The internet is full of porn and the scum would rather stay home than face a possible ten year sentence. but this will never happen because it is the politions who are the largest comsumers. Take this fight to washington and you will most likely see some lobbiest say we should not violate the rights of consumers. Just make it super illegal to purchase and 100% okay to sell then youi will cut demand. For the child traffickers this should be a life sentence. I would allow my taxes to be raised to pay the cost of housing these animals for life! But this is only a dream, because everyday you can see another polition getting busted for buying a girl/woman for sexual RAPE. It is the same as rape to pay a girl for sex so you should be charged with raoe. Most of them were forced into tjhe business by rape and the people supporting this by purchasing should be charged with RAPE!
I agree to a large extent. Legalizing it, having women tested and licensed regularly would go a long way to making underage prostitution a thing of the past.
What problem would that solve exactly? Legalized prostitution isn't going to make people want underage kids less. All legalized prostitution will do is make it easier to hide among the legitimate. It will also expand the client base making policing and legislating even more difficult. And testing would be a wonderful idea if it was practical. You have to wait at least three weeks after infection for accurate results for HIV. Do you think the prostitute or her clients are really going to wait that long to have sex before they get their results back? The same effect applies to other diseases too. It's too misleading to say that will make prostitution safe. It won't. I get the that adults should be able to do what they like. I'm really not opposed. But what you suggest is only going to make the problem worse and get a lot of people unnecessarily hurt.
countries that have legalized has found sex slave increase. then the police are hampered on stopping the crime. sweden has found criminalizing the buyer and not criminalizing the prostitute the most effective way of dealing with the situation. the criminal element of the equation does not go away, but increases, with legalization.
What you don't know about Sweden is that it now has the highest increase of rape. And the highest amount of rape complaints in Europe. If you think Sweden has solved the problem, then you are totally mistaken..... Sweden never had a prostitute problem. There were only around 2500 women working as prostitutes at any given time. Now the problems have magnified in other areas. Instead of actually lessening the problem Sweden now criminalises men. Men who are non lawbreakers. And apart from the mess it has created, Sweden authorities now assume they can invade the private lives of two consenting adults.... like I said in an earlier Sweden is the KGB.......Individual rights there are being gradually stripped away by fanatics who think they know the solution to a problem when they don't........
the reason was the increase in sex slaves do to the high demand and low supply. they did not have enough women willing to sell their body for male use, so criminals brought women and children in to be used by men for high demand. THAT is rape. also.
The perverts come out of the woodworks to protest against this story. How gross, sick, perverted are these men to actually agree that sleeping with girls is ok. Animals don't even do that. Even animals wait until adulthood before having sex with each other. The men that speaking against this story today are below animals.
And in animals, adulthood starts with menstruation. Many girls are doing that by age 8. Your point is invalid.
You can play dumb all you want. But the rest of us know and undeniable so that animals start mating after they've clearly reached adulthood. Adult male animals don't mate with adolescent or teenage versions of adult females like perverted child-molesters. When a human girl is 8, 11, 15, 17 years of age, it's clear she's not reached adulthood in height, weight, hormone production, brain development, maturity, etc. Furthermore, animals care for their offspring more than perverted, child-molesters. Adult male animals want strong adult females to raise his children. Child-molesters don't even care for the children of the children they sleep with. All they care about is an erection and so on and are willing to rob the innocence of children to do it. They are willing to sacrifice their offspring to the care of an incapable child. Same thing with homosexuality. Other than a strange dog or two we've all seen during our long life-spans, male animals don't sleep with male animals. Oh, and most girls do not start their cycle at 8 years old, not sure where you got that one from. Lies to save face are invalid. Tag.
what a load of crap...firstly the girls will take any amount of money whether it be big or small if they are on dope which a lot are. secondly its a profession which was here since Jesus Christ was born and before that.No, the girl should not be charged...thats ludicrous. But the man shouldnt either if its done under consent in a proper manner. If its rape god only knows what, yes the man should be arrested and jailed. The background of the girl should be taken into consideration whether she be a dug addict...if so then she should be helped not jailed. Perhaps she sends money home to her poor family. Either way if she is 18 she has every right to consent to paid sex...if thats what she wants.......these so called dumb arse celebritys...why dont you get a life and find a better cause to throw your money and time on...
They're talking about girls. You know, under 18. 11 year olds. 12 year olds. Normal people are NOT OK with the sexual exploitation of young people. It needs to stop. Now.
On what planet can supporting such an endeavour be a bad thing? Of course there are other problems in the world that need addressing but that in no way diminshes the value of these efforts.
To argue, as many people here have, that this endeavour should not be supported because there are other causes that should be supported first, or because there is argument about the cause of the issues, des not change the fact that this IS an issue and it SHOULD be addressed!
If the energy applied to arguing the details and techicalities were applied to the issue itself, then much good could be done!
Here is a very simple equation: Do you believe that child sex and slavery is right... I.e. Would you participate and "purchase" a child for your own satsfaction?
It is as simple as "yes" or "no" people! If you answer yes, seek help... you have a problem and are exactly the sort of person this campaign is aimed at.
If you answer no, then get behind this and support it! Stop being precious about whether it addresses the entire issue. Every step, any step, in the right direction makes a difference!
I commend DNA and all those public figures who have chosen to support this issue and I wish them every success. Succeeding here benefits them personally not a jot... but it may make a lifetime of difference for many young people!
Thank you for expressing so clearly what many of us think.
says the "unknown" client/rapist...doesn't want to face that he's slept with raped girls forced into the industry
Ashton and Demi, listen to these responses and clean up your own lives. You promote fantasy sex lifestyles in your movies: indecent proposal and no strings. I am not saying that you have to be perfect, but C'mom, what validity do you bring to this arena that desperately needs people who are living what they are preaching.
Living what they're preaching? Seriously? What they are "preaching" is "real men don't buy girls". Unless you have proof that either of them have ever "bought a girl" then you're missing the point.
Consensual sex between ADULTS: OK. Rape of 13-year-old girls for money: EVIL. Is that so complicated?
John's an idiot boy-squeezer
I suppose you're a client to the pimps that abuse these girls. Otherwise, you'd be expressing your advocacy towards DNA's organization.
This is a very noble cause and everything. But my god, that has got to be the "lamest", most ridiculous PSA I have ever seen in my life.., the inclusion of Piers Morgan makes it even more laughable!
Ken has some perspective on the problem. You negative guys...when there's a monsterous evil lurking under, around and over us please appreciate anyone who has the goodness to try to help us overcome that evil. It's like dirty dirt the wind blows into your house. If you don't clean it up it gets spread all over, deeper and wider, until it taints everything and sickens maybe even you.
Maybe we should take action to reduce taxes, lower inflation so one parent can stay home and take care of what should ultimately be their responsability. I am tired of having to pay to protect, educate, provide medical care, and feed other peoples children. If I didn't have to pay for this crap I might be able to afford to have a child of my own, or maybe the American dream has become a pipe dream.
Fanatic news, more power to Real Men project. Lets all join to eliminate the world sex trade. Nigel
Indeed and lets begin with the Catholic Church..... How many children's lives has this "Christian organisation" wrecked?
YEAH charlie s.HA
Kutscher: "If you can raise the price for sex you can actually reduce the demand. As you reduce the demand that raises the price". He clearly didn't pay attention in economics class.
Sure he did. If it becomes freakazoidally rare, with a high danger of prosecution, the price will skyrocket, further reducing demand.
You seem to be mixing up demand and supply.
Reduced demand would lower the price, no?
Actually he makes no sense, as does Hollywood. By that statement, one might take it as if he thinks the answer to the problem is just have men pay more to have sex with children and that will make it stop.
J is L – your posts make you sound like you're really more against "Hollywood" than you are against child molestation. What gives?
It would be nice if it was just a matter of economics. But this is dealing with what a man's sexual impulsions are. If a guy is driven my his impulses to seek out little girls, that is what he will do. Whether it's a trip to the Phillipines, or stalking the local playground. Telling him "you're not a real man" is probably not going to deter these people, sexual imprints are pretty much hard wired once they are set in place. Try telling a gay man he's not a real man, for instance. Not gonna work. Is it a sick world? Yep. And no campaign is gonna change that. Still, nice to see Demi and Ashton in the news again. I missed them.
Excellent campaign and long overdue...child sex slavery must be stopped. Kudos to all of these stars for their leadership in this campaign.
Our thanks go to all those speaking out against human trafficking. Demi and Ashton and everyone deserve our praise, not rude comments. There is no justification for slavery. It continues in an atmosphere of greed, laziness, lust -not love-, domination and disregard for our fellow human beings. It exists to keep the wheels of commerce turning. It struck fear into the hearts of the hidden hungry slave families when the unknowing public didn't buy enough product they made to pay the keeper to keep them. Would he close the trap and not return? Slaves were sometimes cheaper to restock than feed. Later new ones cleaned the trap and got motivated to work harder than those who were there before them....How's about you blow mouths try to stop the atrocities just described?
And exactly what year did slavery officially end in the US ?
The thirteenth amendment, I want to say 1860-something. But that only referred to legalized slavery. Illegal slavery continues today, and slaves are cheaper and more disposable than ever.
Why buy, when you can rent?
Bravo for taking on this issue. There are WAY too many sicko's out there hiding behind their keyboards. Predators need to be shunned by normal people. Anyone who thinks "she looked older" is an excuse need to be introduced to the inside of a jail cell. These young people - girls and boys, yes boys - need to be PROTECTED and RESPECTED by adults.
Its easy to say, that "real men dont buy girls" when you`re ASTON KUCHER and JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE. They can allways get hot girls (why is aston married to that old woman?) We are not all born with their good looks and when hot girls volentarily sell themselves, why not...??
Because it's sick, emotionally and physically destructive, oppressive, exploitative, causes dangerous pregnancies, spreads fatal diseases and it's illegal. Just for starters.
That's because these "hot girls" are CHILDREN. They are not consenting adults. Even those who are close to legal adulthood (16, 17, etc.) are still legally children. And most of them are NOT voluntarily selling themselves; they're doing this because they are desperate or afraid – trying to earn enough to eat that night, trying to pay for a drug habit, or trying to make enough money for the day so their pimp won't beat them up again. They don't have the maturity to make rational decisions in these cases, and there are always those who will take advantage of it. I have no problem with a woman (an ADULT) giving or selling her body if that's what she wants to do and she is not being coerced in any way. But forcing a child into that position (no pun intended) is WRONG.
because they are children. to be protected by parent and society. no demand, no supply.
No matter who you are or how hard you may find it to attract the attention of a girl you like, rape is not okay. When you rent a slave for sex, it is rape.
So you want to have sex with children? Does anyone really need to answer "why not?"?
We are all God's own. Let's all be good to God's own and be remembered as those who made evil do a 180 turn and keep running back to where it came from.
@Ma and Pa. To translate your sentiments more secularly, we are all animals and lucky to be alive at this moment in time, life is precious. Let’s treat each other with respect for the short time that we exist and allow each individual to go on to live their life as they wish as long as they are not actively encroaching on another’s right to do the same.
I'm all for it as well but they could have chosen better front figures for this campaign. I tend not to trust people who betray their (supposedly) better half...
As a muslim, I support initiative to stop child labour and sex trade. its never permissible in Islam and moore and kutcher are doing a good job, if they are trying to stop these venoms. thank you
As a Muslim, you should know that your revered Prophet married a 9 year old........
And if you were not a Muslim, would you use the services of an underage prostitute? I fail to see what being a Muslim has anything to do with anything.
It may be that Islam is the source from which the poster derives his or her moral compass. Being a Muslim may be relevant in the same way being a Christian would be–e.g. I know right from wrong or good from evil in part through the guidance of my faith, and this is against everything I stand for.
I am totally against anything that is forced upon people against there will and I wish this could be stopped.
One thing I do have to point out that is off topic and to do with prostituion. Although I have never indulged in the sex industy IE having to buy sex, 95% of the people out there arent as wealthy/goodlooking etc as your celebs who can potentially get any partner they want. So a lot of people/ men who don't have much to offer to the opposite sex would indulge in the sex industry and that's all good aslong as it's something thats not forced.
I do agree, problem is people won't take this seriously because you have all these awesome looking celebs who can
get as much sex as they want from who they want telling others they can't have it.
I am totally against underage sex trade though and I do hope this effort works to curb it.
Well said. Celebrities are so quick to speak out against subjects like this and when one of them gets caught in an act they are so quick to backtrack..... They just shut up and do what they get paid so handsomely for......
Since when are wealth/good looks the only standard for attracting mates? There's an entire world of people respecting others and enjoying love/relationship/marriage. Indulging in Prostitution doesn't help anyone attract real affection!
Besides, the age of these slavery victims is 5 , or any age. This thread has mentioned 11-17, but children are the ones who have been tortured by this. Anyone who throws up their hands about this, or doesn't care is guilty of promoting it. If some scum kidnapped your child and did this to them-you'd want more than imprisonment to be his punishment!
Yes, that will really stop pedophiles... a nice public relations campaign!
It will stop some. "John Schools" and similar methods can be successful, because frequently the people who are paying for sex don't know that the woman (or child whom the buyer is choosing to perceive as an adult) is in fact a slave. What I have learned from the people who teach at these schools is that some people you will never help, they will go out and do it again–but others are horrified, and had no idea, and it can make a difference.
Sounds like they're offering other ways to help (for those who would not even dream of paying for sex, let alone paying for sex with young children) – for example flagging online ads that appear to be offering minor prostitution. There will always be some pervs in the world, but anything we can do to help save some of the children, is for the better
I think some posters here didn't quite grasp that Ashton and Demi's campaign is targeting people who buy CHILDREN for sex–not the issue of whether or not adult women should be able to work as prostitutes However we feel about legalizing prostitution, we all hopefully agree that selling minors to sexual abusers is wrong.
I do kind of wish the slogan had been "Real Men Don't Buy Kids/Children" or something along those lines, as underage boys are victims of sexual trafficking too, more so than many realize and with comparatively less attention given to their plight.
Thank you sweetie, for saying what you just said – i was hoping one person would say what you said – i was going to write the same thing you did about boys being victims too. God bless your heart – there is one intelligent person here :-) and yes this is very specific to child trafficking and doesn't have much to do with the trade in general and legitimizing it and stuff of that nature.
I'm sorry, but the spot shown to me doesn't seem very effective. Do the producers really think that the men and women who purchase, rent or otherwise arrange underage children are going to be dissuaded by Justin Timberlake with a chainsaw?
I would also take the campaign more seriously if they could actually write in the language correctly. The second slate read, "CNN's Freedom Project is highlighting their work in curtailing the demand for child forced into prostitution."
If you're serious about your project and your work...proofread first, okay?
Wow really? Real men don't buy girls. What a revelation......I am sure glad I have celebrities as a moral compass for my life.
You're not the target demographic. The idea is to raise awareness among people who engage in that behavior, or people who can influence policy or gather political or financial support for the good anti-trafficking work that many people are working on.
Years ago in the mid-70s I was an 19yr old sailor on a submarine that had pulled into Subic Bay Naval Station in the Phillipines. I went on liberty with a friend and I had barely left the base, walked across a bridge, and was confronted by a middle-aged Filipino woman offering me the services of a 12yr old girl who was standing behind her. The girl was smiling and was certainly willing from all appearances. I was far from perfect, but I had my principles, and this situation was clearly outside of mine. It is reprehensible that any man would engage in sexual relations with an underage female. Having said that, these girls are most often the victims of their own culture which is rampant with corruption and collusion. The villains are as often as not the social workers, policeman, and even members of their own family that sell them for profit.
I know of another country that is like that too, it is called the USA.
Slavery remains a problem in pretty much every country in the world. It is just more visible in some places than others. I know of slavery problems in Times Square, in the DC-Baltimore Corridor, in Atlanta, San Francisco, Mexico, Canada, Germany, Russia, Moldova, Albania, and dozens of other countries. But there are also people who try to stop it, and some incredible stories from the people who survive it and go on to help others still enslaved. Look up the Polaris Project or other anti-slavery NGOs for more info.
I would like to see a similar or a "Real Men Don't Sell Girls" campaign promoted by rappers and others who generally have been idealizing "pimpin'" and keeping girls as prostitutes. We need a cultural change on a larger scale. Even the language has to change: when "ho" is more or less synonymous with "girl", how could we expect anything except a depreciation of women overall?
Your absolutely right. Most of todays music is nothing but filth. As the saying goes "garbage in, garbage out"....
I think our own society would be a much better example if stars in our own society didn't buy girls - look at Charlie Sheen.
He's been buying girls for years and people flock to him.
And you know what, that sends a message to the entire planet about who we are as a nation, as a people.
Oh yeah, one other thing, it degrades and actually hurts those women. Yes, I know he pays them. But do you think they will ever be comfortable going back to their high school friends. (Even their actual friends...)
The muslims make terrible mistakes, that's true - and sorry, I look at our country and see that it's not much better.
Christians are saying that we're in a lot of trouble, well, it's about time...
They should change the slogan to "Real men don't buy children".
There are a significant amount of boy slaves as well.
Thank you. Glad to see I am not the only one wondering why young boys are the forgotten victims. Actually, I know why. It is because our feminist society does not want to recognize that males can ever be oppressed.
when i posted, i mostly used children. for a reason. includes both genders. feminist that i am.
I agree that attention needs to be brought to the plight of all children slaves-male and female.
If you read through this thread you will notice that most of the men here are responding to discussions regarding sex with girls who look like women, and aren't even aware that little girls (and boys) are even bought/sold. So, it seems that they are the target demographic for this
We need to change the way people view sex, and especially how they
view people. It's time for forward movement for mankind! Time for change! Time for setting past and
present generations straight , to how we should live and treat one another! With love and respect.
They should get Charlie Sheen on the campaign... NOT!
REAL MEN don't support or make a living off of prostitution of any age.
any man who buys sex is a looser. if you buy a use of a female body like a public toilet you get what you pay for,,, nothing more than that. You can't watch tv more than an hour to get endless ED commercials. I bet there are millions of men on those drugs, driving them to be pervs.
girls and women need to be educated that their role as being female does not make the to be public toilets for men. The gender mind set in the world now is disgusting and I think those ED pills have a lot to do with it. I would not be surprised it they tested public water supplies for ED drugs we would be amazed how much of it is in there that we all consume . including women and children without knowing it.
That fact that you liken male sexuality to defecation gives way to the fact you have deep rooted problems.
The fact that you want to determine what an adult woman can do with her own body, and consider any one that does a 'toilet'....speaks volumes.
I hope they have a name, and treatment, for your type of issues.
I agree. Some "men" think they can just use women and children - then they throw them away, like used tissue. Sex is the act of procreation - the fusing of two human bodies - it's supposed to be intimate, the most intimate bond besides the bond of mother and child, where the child actually comes from the mother's body. It's not about "getting your pipes cleaned" or "getting some" or any of the other heartless, ugly euphemisms men say for using and discarding a human being. The men who do this have lost sight of their own humanity, their own power to be a lover, protector and family member with their mate.
Hope, the fact that YOUR secondary sexual traits may have dried up long ago does not make you centric to the rest of the population, eroticism between willing adults shall remain alive and well in the world, your sour-grapes attitude not withstanding.
Well I see that no rappers were there. Seeing as how they glorify sex slavery every time they call themselves pimps, and even when they call women hoes. Now a lot of people would react to what I just said by saying something like "Haters gonna hate". No, I am not hating; I am only acknowledging somebody else's hating without condoning it.
You don't seem to understand so I will explain it to you. When rappers refer to women in a derogatory way, the women they are referring to are the women who want to be with them because of who they are. Tupac talked about it before. It was something along the lines of this. When he was a nobody a lot of women wouldn't look at him twice but the week after his first big album hit and women recognized him they all flocked to him. Those are the women they talk about. The ones who want to be with them because they have money and fame.
too bad we dont get that in the lyrics when listening to .... women are hos women are hos women are hos i wanna f*ck you mama
was sittin in a parking lot listening to the words blaring out of a truck. looked at care next to me. african american, a grandma, a mother and two little girls about 4 and 6 listening to the repeated lyrics, wondering how the felt listening to the garbage. if they knew it was so simple, the deragatory about female was merely geared towards a certain group of women, i am sure we would have all felt better.
Oh please. Rockstars call them groupies and thats ok right?
Sex, drugs and rock & roll is great but that loud black music bothers me
i dont think you addressed what i posted. i like rap.... but then i dont listen to the words of any songs, just the beat. if you are really arguing rap does not reach the lowest of who we are as a people, than i think it is a very dishonest argument.
I was walking in a mall on Easter weekend one year, and a record store had their doors propped open. As the passing grandmothers and grandfathers, parents and little kids, teens and everyone passed the rapper shouted over the speakers, "So I shoved my fist up her (insert derogatory word for female body part here)." That was the day I lost 100% of my respect for rap and rappers. Every man involved should be disgusted by that kind of talk, but they glorify it instead. Sick doesn't even come close.
No, Oook, the way so-called "rock stars" treat so-called "groupies" is NOT OK either, especially if the girls are underage. It's all part of the same sickness.
Maybe the black folks listening to it don't listen to the lyrics either. Maybe most people who listen to rap just listen for the beat like yourself. Actually Eminem has a song where he talks about just that it is called Cold Wind Blows. I think he does it on another song also.
Yeah you are right. If an ADULT woman wants nothing to do with a guy but sleep with him because he is famous and has money then HE is wrong and she isn't. It's great how you dislike all rappers and rap music because of what ONE individual did tho.
Oook - it's not one man, it's the entire genre, the sub-culture. They glorify the sexual abuse of women as a group. That doesn't mean that an occasional individual or an occasional song doesn't have something to say that's valuable. But when 98% of the sub-culture and genre are silent, accepting, even laughing and applauding and supporting the worst kind of misogyny? Then yeah, I'm going to call them out for it. I lived in Paris for most of a year. I was alone and not comfortable going out in my neighborhood at night. I watched a lot of French TV that year, and at night French TV will broadcast things that would be considered too pornographic in the U.S. Flipping channels in Paris, I came across some of the most vile music videos by rappers - it was glorifying the most horrific attitudes towards women. I don't care if rappers think they're only putting down certain kinds of women, they NEVER show any other kind of woman in these music videos. It's all ho-ho-ho-ho-ho. News flash, you will be judged by the company you keep, by your choice of words, by how you treat the people around you. Behave like a disgusting misogynist and you will be thought of as a disgusting misogynist. And yes, that goes for the exploitative glam rockers, too.
What sexual abuse does rap or rock champion? Talking about sleeping with consenting adults is not sexual abuse. I have never heard a rap or rock song say child sex is a good thing. The rap song you were talking about glorifying a horrific attitude towards women, how many women were in the video. Chances are there were a lot of women. So its ok for these women to be in the videos helping the song become popular by with skimpy clothing dancing but then men who sing/rap are wrong?
JeanV-has it ever occurred to you that your insistent relating to adult human sexuality as a disease is maybe about you? Sexuality has existed since the first creatures walked the earth, the perpetrators being none the worse for wear. You being freaked out by it is a condition, GO GET SOME HELP.
What in the world are you on about? Where did I post that "ADULT human sexuality" is a disease? Do you have some serious reading-comprehension issues? They have classes to help you with that.
In the late 70?s I was a sex slave for a very short time, and I was taken to Holland to work in a bar, by a guy I thought loved me, It is very easy to finish sex slavery, go to all these bars with girls in Belgium, Holland, Germany etc and arrest the girls to protect them and find out who their pimp is.
All these girls in all those bars have pimps who they give the money they make to, or better still, just Close the bars down. But that will not happen would it???
Let's push the polititians and police to change the laws, so that those bars prove that the girls don't give their money to a pimp. you won't find many.
You mean to tell us that you acceded to being pimped out because you thought that your boyfriend LOVED YOU??? My dear, you are either ward-of-state material or F.O.S.
You're a troll.
Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi would not approve of this campaign at all...
Typical arrogance of the stars – because they make the big bucks they think they know something about life – that they are important people because they are celebrities. I can't think of any couple that I would listen to less than these two morons.
Back in the day that's pretty much all real men did because they were out fighting wars all the time. In other cultures real men get married to their cousins in contractual arrangements when they are like 8 years old. This article is lulz. Basically written for single women who want a monopoly on where a man gets his wet on. Real men bang whatever moves, pay or not. Anything else is a Boy George-esque vaginaphobia
creepy men say all men when validating their creepy behavior.
Exactly. Then they wonder why they HAVE to pay. Because they're disgusting to healthy, normal women who are not enslaved. They might want to look into that.
class or trash. you are so right on jean. then the men are appalled that women actually view them as creeps. you cant think of me as a creep..... i have my needs.
Hollywood celebs telling me they don't buy women? Then Eva Longoria, who only sleeps with men that make a million a year? This ad is so wrong in so many different ways.
I am against buying women of course. But when it comes to women....you must pay. Wheter you marry them, you buy them, you rent them, or if you pay for services provided....you must pay.
Of course. Spooner or later men have to pay for women for sex.....Whether its indirectly or not.......you must pay.....
more women are making more today, than their husbands. so, does that mean that now, regardless, women are paying for s*x? it is the saddest of males that must equate relationship and s*x, to buying it. it says a lot about the man.
If you had any idea how much some high class prostitutes make then a woman might re think her career. So you're suggesting that sex shouldn't be part of a relationship? What an absurd idea.How many people in relationships have sex free ones and have fulfilling relationship?
Prostitution and sex slavery seems to have been somehow co joined due to the lack of knowledge about either from most media.Not every woman working as a prostitute is there against her own free will...Human trafficking is an abomination against civilisation however to label every prostitute as harmful to society is wrong and misleading.
And what about single men? Should they be deprived of their right to enjoy sex? How many lonely men are there in the world who don't have the choice? Those who are not physically attractive or those who are disabled. You have somehow managed to state that all prostitution is bad. When you couldn't be further from the truth
out of all the strippers and prostitutes i know, i have yet to find a rich one, or educated one. we are always told about how rich they are, yet the ones i know cannot pay their electrical bill, firstly.
you are the one suggesting that men have to pay for it one way or another, that there cannot be a simple relationship of two people enjoying each other. i am merely saying, that in todays economy there are more women making more money and fathers are staying home. so, does that mean that the women are now paying for s*x? it is a male whine to hear some men say they are paying for it one way or another.
women, too, are s*xual beings. i am not seeing your concern for the ugly women or handicapped women not getting s*x.
And indeed ugly and less attractive women have as much right to purchase the services of a male prostitute. And should they be degraded and criminalised for it? According to you ALL men are creepy if they purchase sex. But reverse the situation and if a woman does it. She would be lauded or pitied.
Funny I read a report about what some prostitutes make, There are some who make 150,000 USD per year. Of course they were the top shelf. Its like the pecking order in other areas of life.....
ya, i see it as creepy to buy a body to use at will.. i dont make a call on the legalizing or criminalizing. i do argue opinions given that are untrue. if you are going to argue legalization, know that it creates more problems than criminalized. if that is the choice a nation makes, so be it. but to pretend legalization will create a "pretty women" scenario, is wrong.
I think you would find that research has shown that legalisation of prostitution has done more good than harm. But child and human slave trafficking is a completely separate issue......You talk about the act of an adult male paying for the sexual services of an adult consenting female as if it should be criminalised. I gave the example of Sweden(where I sometimes reside) as not being successful. As it shifts whatever problems occur to another area...... an area which creates more problems than it solves....I too know strippers and escorts who earn a very large amount of money. And they are quite happy to ply their trade without interference from ill advised authorities or people who just have no clue....
and you seem to have a vested interest phil. i do not. i can continue to repeat, google... is your friend. EVERY country that has legalized ahs had a significant increase in sex slave. valid reasons. cops cant get into the areas. the demand is high. not enough women willing to sell themselves. they have to force others, women, children of both gender to meet the demand. EVERY country that has legalized are now looking at ways to solved the increase criminal acts.
You would have to interview every prostitute to see whether or not to see if she is doing it against her will...... Good luck. To criminalise it makes you Sweden.... Where you have absolutely no privacy whatsoever........Wanna see a modern version of the KGB, then head straight to Sweden.....
Buying GIRLS is illegal everywhere in Europe and in the U.S.A. The campaign is about men buying underage girls to sexually use and abuse. No 10 or 11 or 12 year old wants to have sex with creepy, filthy, abusive older men. If they are being forced to do so, that is human trafficking, sexual slavery. It destroys their lives, exposes them to the extreme dangers of physical damage (fistulas), dangerously early pregnancies, fatal sexually transmitted diseases, permanent psychological damage, etc. It's EVIL and this campaign is about pointing out that men who are not EVIL don't buy girls. You seem to have a lot of trouble understanding this.
Real men and women don't buy boys either. I love these Hollywood types and their sexist prattle.
I'm glad someone is taking action. However, Kutcher says, "As you reduce the demand that raises the price." This is not likely to be true. If you reduce the demand, this will cause the price to DECREASE! When demand is decreased, this leaves excess supply and people more willing to sell themselves for less! It is very unlikely that this will erase the business all together like Kutcher claims.
If you increase the price it will decrease demand. However, as demand decreases prices will fall. We need to come up with another way to end this problem.
Yes, Reducing demand lowers the price–which decreases the incentive to produce a supply, which lowers profit margins and makes it likely that fewer slaves will be trafficked in to satisfy demand.
More horsespit from our celebrity elite. Do they really believe that people who buy 13-year-olds think that society accepts it? They know dern well it's wrong; that's why this trade takes place exclusively in the shadows. Will all that stop now that Demi and Ashton have declared it a no-no? http://www.granitesentry.com
about time people stop wasting their money on PETA. It's about time Hollywood tackles a difficult issue, you just can't throw money to solve.
Kutcher says "As you reduce the demand that raises the price" but this is patently absurd. Reduced demand for ANY product or service will LOWER the price.
I agree, Steve. I was going to post on the same thing, but I'm glad to see others have beaten me to it.
So what about boys? I guess it's ok for real men to buy boys, since they weren't included in the slogan.
Why would you assume that? That's just silly. They didn't say "Real men don't buy field slaves" either. That doesn't mean they are advocating for slaves to work in agriculture, either. Think.
This is nonsense! It is illegal to have sex with minors; and forcing people to have sex is a very serious crime. More importantly, this is not a problem, at least not in the US. Statistics are manufactured to make it look like a problem, because what they are really targeting is prostition. This is a moral crusade to stop adult prostitution. We should stop these moral crusades. Learn from the war on drugs, and leave people alone!
u.s. has become number 1 in demand for child sex. you dont see that as an issue to address? not a number one to be proud of.
Can you publish some hard data to prove your assertion? If not, then your claim is BS.
google it. you cant copy and paste on this site or link it. you dont believe it, google. the info is at your fingertips. or bury head in the sand and pretend otherwise.
There is practically no demand for child sex, anywhere in the world. There is a demand for teenage sex. But that is completely different, because teenagers are not children. There is a constant effort to stop prostitution of any kind by constantly referring to older and older people as children. For example, there is an effort to raise the age of consent to 21. I wouldn't be surprised if they try to make illegal any sex outside of marriage. This whole effort has nothing to do with children.
wrong vince unless you are a man whose mantra is.... once a girl hits puberty she is free game. that is ten years old for some girls. are those your adult women?
Technically speaking, if someone hits puberty they are capable of sex.
The stage of adolescence in which an individual becomes physiologically capable of sexual reproduction.
(Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Biology) the period at the beginning of adolescence when the sex glands become functional and the secondary sexual characteristics emerge Also called pubescence Related adj
I'm not saying that a 10 year old who has hit puberty is able to consent to sex tho.
a 5 year old is capable. you mean capable of preg. but that was not the question. i have heard a group of males claim, at puberty, free game. you say we make our adults as children, ergo it is really not child s*x slaves. we are talking 10, 11, 12, 13. is that adult to you? free game? per your argument.
Whatever you said makes no sense but whatever. Biologically they are capable of reproduction which is a key purpose of sex. I said I wasn't saying they are able to consent but their bodies hitting puberty means NATURE is saying they are.
oook, that really has nothing to do with anything we are talking about. so what? at 5 they can have sex. we dont say ok to the 5 yr old. if you think the reason people are hving s*x is to have babes, well.... a lot of recreational going on, too. but none of that matters. poster said that we have adults classified as women. i wanted to know if poster is a believer that once puberty, free game. i hear that from men. i wanted clarification.
Spikette – that's exactly what some (sick) men claim. There's the whole gamut from the ones who think it's OK at 8 to the ones who think it's OK at 16. They just want to use and discard human beings as fantasy sex "objects" without having to even try to care about the human being they're using. If she's a terrified run-away being beaten by a pimp? They don't care. If she's an 11-year-old being kept on drugs by a filthy brothel? They don't care. They only care about getting their mack on. They're disgusting, emotionally stunted human beings who need some hard time in jail to teach them to STOP using and abusing young, vulnerable people. And no, I'm not talking about a Romeo and Juliet situation between kids. I'm talking about "men" using youngsters as disposable sex "toys". They're HUMAN BEINGS. Not things.
right on jeanV
Slavery remains a very real and significant problem. People are not manufacturing statistics, although you do get a wide range of them because definitions of slavery change and it is difficult to get an accurate picture of a criminal phenomenon. I suggest you talk to a cop who has dealt with human trafficking, or with one of the NGOs that counsels survivors. I know of one place busted a half dozen blocks from me.
I know how the statistics are produced. I am an ex-cop. Everytime we busted a 16 year old for prostitution, it was listed as a slavery case because she was under age. And overwhelming majority of these cases are teenage prostitution cases. Slavery is extremely rare, and it is a very serious crime. Now, there is a reason why people distort these statistics, because they want to end prostitution. But they should be honest about it. Some of us want the prostitution to be completely legal. But it is impossible to have a serious debate when one side constantly distorts the issue.
Age is a separate issue which also requires debate. There are no 8 year old prostitutes, at least not in this country. And no 8 year olds who are consenting to sex with anybody. So, another red herring. Another attempt to shut off the debate. The age of consent in Canada is 14. There is no rash of child prostitution in Canada because of it. Theyb don't even have more teenage sex that we do. making everything crime only creates a police state. It doesn't solve any problems, especially when you don't have a problem to start with.
Vince-why aren't you a policeman anymore? You've seen prostitution and you think it's a good thing that would benefit humanity? Perhaps youve seen too much and have given up on all people-even the good ones.
starts with the man in the mirror!
Read the last sentence I wrote.
Maybe the movie stars, like Mr. Kutcher, who promote a sex culture should try changing that too....just saying.
I don't get it... Glad they are trying to do something but I doubt that humor, irony and pop-culture stars will have any influence on their target audience
all you people are fools here. Just do what they say and stop doing what they do.It does not make any sense attacking the celebrities who campaign for sex Trafficking. They already made it in life. Be wise and and think about what the message here tells you as an individual.What about if this child is your child? You fools out there!!!!! just join these brave celebrities in Fighting this vice
Why dont we start with Hollywood and Advertisers. Disney makes shows starrring young teenage girls and make them look, dress and act as adult as possible. They even produce racey videos and songs for them to sing. And advertisers! Well they have been wh#$ing out little girls for years. Clean up the airways and we will stop raising men to think 14 is sexy.
Chainsaw nice. What does he use to trim his nose hairs? : d;)-~~~
Since when this became an illegal Immigration issue? a lot of ignorant racist people are so quick to point out that my parents where born here, or that their grandparents came over legally, the fact is that does not matter one bit, if you cross the border at night or whatever. Their Campaign is about the need of middle age Americans, to get laid, with Hot 18 – 20 year old women, and man. and telling them to get a real date and not to pay for one. Well like the war on drugs good luck with that. and Yes English is not my first language, just like spanish is not for a lot of you.
Making it legal (for adults) will also reduce the number of children involved.
all the countries that have legalized prostitution has seen a significant increase in child s*x slavery. then it hampers police to do anything about it. legalizing does not eleminate the crime, it increases it.
Do you have any hard data to support your claim? If not, how about if you keep your misguided opinions to yourself.
again... a simple google will give you your answer. yes, there is plenty of hard facts. sweden has changed their law because of the increase of crime and sex slaves.
You are incorrect. Countries like Holland and New Zealand who have decriminalised Prostitution have seen a marked decrease in rape and trafficking.
wrong. i just googled new zealand. child s*x trafficking has INCREASED. a number of articles and sources.
It's common sense. If people can get it legally in approved places with an adult they are less likely to go to looking anywhere else.
It doesn't work that way, Tina. What happens is that the legal brothels enable and hide the child sex trafficking. The man who wants the kids goes to the brothel, whispers a few words to the owner, money exchanges hands, and a number is passed off to him, or he's shown to a back room - the corrupt people who run brothels get to hang out a shingle, so to speak. It facilitates the child traffickers and underage traffickers.
there are also common sense repercussions tina that you do not think about. that many countries did not think about before legalizing, but have since learned. with legalization the demand increases. there are not enough women willing to prostitute themselves. pimps then have to import and enslave women and children of both gender to fill demand. cops cannot get a hold on it because the legalization has tied their hands. do you really think the criminal element is going ot lose their bread and butter because it was legalized?
Shutting down the catholic church would help children too.
all these Celebs are jst been double standard coz dey are morally insolvent. dey marry today and divorce tomorrow. they change women like they change clothes. they make videos that make people honey.......
Don't assume all celebrities are the same. There are some out there doing good things. Support the ones that do boycott the ones who don't....Charlie tiger blood.
I like the campaign. It'll get more people talking and thinking about the issue of paying for sex. What's pitiful is the creeps who fly to another country just to hire a young person, boy or girl, for the week for $450. Given a choice, not one of those poor kids would choose spending time, much less having sex with selfish perverts like that.
Thank you for taking a stand on this.
This isn't about adults making choices about their sex lives, this is about child abuse.
Horrific child abuse – the child suffers physical trauma, emotional and verbal abuse. Then, the child is ostracized by society – often including her family, her friends. Then, if the child tries to escape, or is unlucky, she also gets arrested, marked for life as a criminal in every job interview. All this damage can last for a lifetime and it is very difficult to dig yourself out of this life – you'll be haunted by STDs, potentially sterile, rape trauma (PTSD is a common side effect), a criminal record, and no support system. Tack on a drug addiction, a common method to "control" these slaves, and it's a wonder anyone ever makes it out of prostitution at all.
I agree with the objective and appreciate their efforts. But Ashton is not an economist. If you reduce demand then the price goes down as the sellers are now competing for a fewer number of buyers. If the price of gasoline goes up the demand for large vehicles goes down. The car lots have to reduce the price of gas guzzlers to sell them. I agree reducing demand is a good thing but that won't make the price go up. Reducing supply causes the price to go up. Since Libia has reduced production of oil supply is down and prices are up.
Not true. There is a cost-benefit ratio at work. If a child prostitute was as rare as hen's teeth, the price would skyrocket, further reducing demand. The way to break the cost-benefit ratio is to prosecute the heck out of johns and pimps and madams. Lock them up, confiscate their money and property, put their name on a public, searchable website. Most of the "tourists" in this trade (not the most hardened pedophiles) would stop participating if they knew that conviction would be tied to their face and name on a "facebook of child sex abusers" for life. It would become vanishingly rare and very, very expensive - nearly impossible to find - saving millions of children (girls and boys) from becoming victims.
What do you mean "not true". JeanV you stated "if you reduce supply price goes up". That is economics. What part of my statement is not true?
What I want to know is how old was Ashton when Demi bought him . . . I mean, when she took him in?
Cute, these shallow stars posture as do-gooders. And they are gone as soon as the next shallow script comes along. Again, the celbs are punking us about world problems as if we are the cause, not they.
How does falling in love with and marrying an adult of legal age create the problem of child sex slavery, exactly? He was 25 when they started dating and 27 when they got married. They've been happily married for six years. This is like raping a 13-year-old for money how? Sheesh.
Great Idea, really – but is being started by a woman who made/makes bags loads of money with her body/looks including a movie where she is a stripper – now I'm not judging her, as we all have to answer for our decisions – I'm just saying – how does her movies contibute to this "NEW" mindset they want to set up??? How about she takes a look at her contribution and take the public stage to say it's not right to profit those type of movie portrayals and that may clear the way for her to become the force for good that she obviously would like and that the world definately needs ....
I'm sure child sex trafficking is a problem, but so too are many other things. I don't see these Hollywood elitists clamoring to curtail spending by the federal government or out-of-wedlock births, the latter which are a serious social problem in the USA, much more so than child prostitution. How about if they address a problem that matters in the USA?
I'm sure the thousands of little kids and young teens being raped in America think it's a pretty darn serious problem.
Sheesh. You guys would put down Mother Teresa for wasting her time helping poverty-stricken sick people when there's cancer to be cured.
If you want to start you own campaign to cure another social ill, HAVE AT IT.
Kutcher has really missed the point. Any kind of sex slavery is WRONG. Its not about "raising the price to reduce the demand". He obviously does not have any children.
They made a nice gesture, i wonder if they are gona help alot or its just a trend.
If there's a group of people that know all about being a whore for an industry its hollywood so maybe these "stars" can actuall do something positive! I think Angelina Jolie is trying to adopt them all.......I cant help but ask is that a better or worse situation?
Can anyone explain this ad to me?
A true demonstration of love:” This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for each other.” (1 John 3:16)
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. (1 John 4:7-8)
If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, and it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, and always perseveres. 1 Corinthians 13:3-7
Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness. Anyone who loves their brother and sister lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them. 1 John 2:9-11
Love one another with brotherly affection [as members of one family], giving precedence and showing honor to one another. Romans 12: 10
Little children, let us not love in theory or in speech but in deed and in truth (in practice and in sincerity). 1 John 3: 18
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is (springs) from God; and he who loves [his fellowmen] is begotten (born) of God and is coming [progressively] to know and understand God [to perceive and recognize and get a better and clearer knowledge of Him]. 1 John 4: 7
He who does not love has not become acquainted with God, for God is love.
1 John 4: 8
But God shows and clearly proves His [own] love for us by the fact that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Romans 5: 8
This is board for opinions and discussions about slavery and child trafficking. It is not a board for religious views or preaching. Please take your religious rants to an appropriate board......
Oh no, not another Jesus marketer... If Jesus, or "God", exists today, and is so powerful, why on earth do you have to speak for any of them? If any of them has anything to tell me, I am quite sure they can talk with me directly, and not via you, don't you agre? Yea, let's fill all the CNN fora with marketing for Jesus...
"Elastic" who taught you those big words, I know they dont teach elasticity in Acting School.
I think their hearts are in the right place by focusing on the demand. This will increase awareness but not sure how far it will go in actually decreasing demand. There are alot of sick pups out there that are only too happy to take advantage of a child, and this campaign I'm afraid is going to do nothing to discourage them. But overall, I do think it is a good thing, and I hope it makes a differance in some children's lives.
Actutally, real men STILL buy women or even men anyways no matter what. It's just relaity.
oops I meant reality*
Your idea of reality is very messed up. I've never even considered buying sex from another human being, especially an under-aged human being. That's not reality - that's sickness.
It could be as simple as this. I go to a bar and approach an attractive woman. I buy her a few drinks and maybe something to eat. While I do all this my goal is to hopefully have sex with her. In a way I am buying sex.
wrong. you are buying her a drink. if she is not a participant of this contractual interaction, she is not agree to $ or drink in exchange for s*x, she is in no way being "bought" by you purchasing her a drink. later, she might suggest or agree to s*x, but that has nothing to do with money changing hands or being bought. some of you men really have to get beyond the thought of paying for dinner is paying for s*x. it is merely paying for dinner.
And when you buy a prostitute you are paying for her "time" and whatever you decide to do is between two consenting adults. However you want to spin it its still the same thing. You really think some random guy in a bar cares if you want another beer or dinner? Chances are no. How often do you go somewhere and buy something for someone else and not expect something in exchange? I'm going to guess not often.
My point wasn't to say she is agreeing to sex in exchange for a drink or dinner. My point is you pay for it one way or another. Cash or dinner.
again, wrong. if you are buying her a drink, that is all you are doing, you are not buying s*x. it is that simple. if you have s*x and no money has exchanged hands, you are not buying s*x. BUT i refused to go out with a man unless we went dutch, or i paid for part of the evening so men like you did not paint me as a wh*re being "bought" because i may want s*x with them. and every man fought me on it. wanted a date, i paid my share. it is men like you, who equate a date to woman being a wh*re that is the problem.
Oook- it's not "as simple as this" buying dinner you keep going on about. It's much darker and more horrific than hooking up with someone in a bar. being held captive-abused, tortured, starved and forced to be raped by multiple sickos every day is torturous and a disgusting crime to humanity. The fact that the victims are children make it even more nauseating. Children who can't protect themselves or escape. Their life is nothing like the woman you met in the bar.
You wouldn't last a day in their reality- you are clearly too bent on satisfying your own desires. Imagine not even eating for 3 days. I bet you couldn't.
This is the dumbest idea since piff diddly's vote or die thing. Why take a serious issue and cheapening with silly slogans? and Justin Timberlake? The guy has had and dumped half of the hot women in hollywood. I don't think lectures from him on what average people should do is going to make much difference. James Robinson does a much better job of outlining this problem and demonstrating the real impacts to peoples lives. Have these people send him a check.
This is not news. More actors looking for publicity by saying how much they care for the world. Is a new movie coming out for them?
What about grown-up ones??????
Ok, don't fight about who is an immigrant! Lets talk about the real problem and that is sexual slavery and believe me, it is just as bad in the US as anywhere else, so don't kid yourself. Yes, my name here is Khadijah but I was born American and served in the military and support our founding documents. Still, the real problem is buying girls and making them do things.
I hope this campaign takes off and captivates the world. I think it is the next step in evolution as human beings.
How can a guy who makes a sex movie with Natalie Portman about unrestricted sex and people using each other for sex possibly be the kind of person who understands sexual exploitation for self gratification. He just made a movie about it and made portrayed it as OK.
When when people face the facts. $ex is a basic human need. Not everyone is a famous actor who has women throwing themselves at them. Some people won't get any unless they pay for it .Legalize and regulate prostitution. Increase the legal penalties for those who don't register. That will protect everyone involved. It will prevent children from being drawn in.
every country that has leglized it has found the opposite results of what you suggest will happen. criminal element does not go away but increases. sex trafficking increases. child sex slaves increase. countries that have legalized are trying to come up with solutions to deal with increased problems from legalizing. i wish people would educate themselves on this instead of giving an uninformed pat answer on the solutions to prostitution.
As I stated before, $sex is a basic human need. prostitution will never go away. You say legalizing/regulating doesn't work. Maybe that alone doesn't but if you drastically increase the penalties for those who don't comply it has a lot better chance than what's being done now which obviously isn't working. What do you think the answer is? Please enlighten me.
from what i have read sweden is top in this. the decriminalize the prostitute and criminalize the jon and traffickers. their prostitution has dramatically decreased. the other countries, germany, netherlands, australia are looking to sweden.
Orgasms are a basic human need. Raping 13-year-olds for money is NOT.
btw chuck, with the excessive porn, stats are showing more and more of our young dont even want to bother. sit and home and do it.... in japan 43% of males age 18-29 thinks s*x is yukky. maybe soon, the buying a body can be taken care of with our obsessiveness with internet p*rn.
isnt nature grand.... rollin eyes.
It's great to see the stars attacking a real problem with real victims. I really hope that everyone helps and men stop buying girls and women.
America was built on Human exploitation. First it was slaves, now we outsourced it to third world countries. We import goods from countries that commonly use people like toilet paper. The United Nations is the primary promoter of World Exploitation by putting these oppressive regimes on the UN Human Rights Commission.
Actually it was Native Americans.
It's always funny when Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore tried to sound intelligent.
Seriously, I'm as against slavery and sex trafficing as much as the next guy...but could you have found two less credible people to speak on this topic? Why not ask Bozo the Clown about nuclear proliferation?
Doesnt this quote fly in the face of the principles of 'Supply and Demand'?
"If we are going to make a social shift it can no longer be acceptable." – Ashton Kutcher. This sort of abhorrent behavior has never been acceptable in any of the circles or neighborhoods that I have lived in. I'm glad that Hollywood is waking up to this issue, but I resent their treating this behavior like it is common or acceptable. Change to the message to "Stop Being a Dirtbag!"
Failed attempted at something that will never go away. Why you ask? Some humans ae sick. Welcome to the real hell. Something that can not be fixed or saved. The hell read in bibles and script doesnt equal to what man creats on earth.
Some policies effectively combat it. In Cambodia, for example, the publicity it has gotten has made it much less acceptable. Additionally, police training can make it easier to get victims help, rather than revictimizing them. "John schools" for first-time solicitation offenders can also be successful. There are lots of things we can do to help prevent human trafficking from occurring and to mitigate some of the negative effects.
Celebrities taking the obviously correct position on an issue for PR - YAWN. How about we eliminate the problem of child prostitutes by doing the smart thing and legalizing and regulating prostitution. Oh, but then we don't get to wave our moralistic finger in the air to prove how moral we are.
Bruce Rubin said: "America was built on Human exploitation. First it was slaves, now we outsourced it to third world countries."
You need to brush up on economic history, Mr. Rubin. Slaves were rarely used in the industrial north prior to 1850 and virtually never after that, and that is where America's early economic strength came from. Slaves only made economic sense in the South's agricultural fields, which did little to build America - and slaves haven't been used in this country (outside the sex trade, apparently) for 150 years. As for your assertion that overseas outsourcing is somehow building American economic power...there isn't an economist on the planet who would agree with that. It is, in fact, tearing away at the American economy.
Very wrong. Slavery is still in full bloom in America. People are lured by promises of legitimate employment and then held against their will and made to work without pay and are tied up, beaten, raped. The average American does not see it, but it is here.
A real man? Piers Morgan? Give me a break. A chainsaw will give you a very bad shaving rash at best. So a real man is a dumb man. And Eva Longoria or Kim Kardashian or whoever the interchangeable fuck she is is a slapper.
I'd be wanting to cut my head off too if I was in one of these commercials
This is a joke, right? How dare they make light of such a sensitive subject. This is typical hollywood out of touch. Demy and Ashton, go back to the drawing board. I´m disgusted by this ad.
Elastic. That's hilarious. I can see those two empty-headed dolts now, going over a macroeconomics textbook with highlighters. "Hey, let's use this example! We'll look smart!" God forbid they're asked to explain the graphs.
He states "We want to create a cultural shift in the way men and women view young people selling themselves for sex."
This is kind of puzzling. Since sex with an underage person is currently considered the worst thing a human being could possibly do, worse than murder, and which marks someone for life as scum and an outcast, what kind of cultural shift do they want to create? They want to make it acceptable?
I guess you haven't been watching the news? About the gang rape of 11-year-old girls by people who justify it by saying, oh she dressed older - or men being arrested for muli-state sex trafficking of 13-year-olds? Who is buying time with her?
It's a serious problem and it needs to be made as rare and disgusting as cannibalism.
Really, an American Actor telling me that real men don't buy women? You might as well have some British Douche advising against unfair business practices!!
Isn't child sex slavery what Demi committed with Ashton?
Only idiots listen to stupid celebrities anyways. Who cares what any of them think.
Pretty funny stuff. Two actors enslaved to the Hollywood Surgery System talking about the slavery of others. Are they fighting for the poor enslaved by circumstance here in the USA? Nah, too important an issue for these two lightweights.
I think it's great that these celebs are spending their time and money to help other people.
Most of them just sit around doing drugs and getting old, fat and ugly.
I see people here criticizing them. These are the same people that complain when the celebs don't do anything.
All of you are complete losers and aren't even qualified to shine their shoes.
Go back to your crack pipes and move along over to Fox.where you belong.
Um, hate to point out a small detail, but most men are renting the girls, it is exceedingly rare that they actually purchase one.
Well, aren't you clever and all. What exactly are you doing to stop sex trafficking of underage kids?
I think these guys are a bit misguided here. Do they think that their opinions are so importnat that they can affect a change in the belief structure of people who by their very nature are devoid of morality.
"Sex trafficking is an elastic trade. If you can raise the price for sex you can actually reduce the demand. As you reduce the demand that raises the price."
Thanks for the econ lesson, Ashton. I would be screwed without your wisdom. And here I thought this whole time people wanting something less would actually decrease prices... so stupid of me.
YOU GOT TO WATCH THIS VIDEO!
It is the best illustration of the dark side of our community and why we need to fight against human trafficking. It is the most impressive piece I have seen on this topic.
Funny Demi would start a foundation against useing younger women for sex , isn't Ashton like 30 years younger than her ...lol hyprocritical some maybe ??
Nice to see our ignorant celebrities trying to do some good. Too bad they only pick fake problems created by the hysterical media.
How is the sex trafficking of minors a "fake" problem?
Why are so many CNN readers so bitter? Do that many people really carry that much hate with them, or are they just trolling?
This is fantastic, its about time hollywood stars highlighted this issue and used their money & fame to make a difference in this horribly disgusting reality. Now, if only we had an ad campaign that said something like, "REAL MEN DON'T PAY FOR SEX!" Unfortunately, child prostitution & child pornography go hand in hand with pornography & prostitution of any kind. Its all wrong, its all demeaning. Its a good start. I hope it gets the worlds attention.
"he Slavery of close to 20 million Illegal Immigrants " WHAT, these folks are here of their own accord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
real men don't have sex with children, whether or not they shave or iron!
Please get real
I did notice they managed to print the entire article without saying black or Muslim, so politically correct. Pimping is a status symbol in the black community and Moslem's have been trading their own daughters for century's. There are exceptions, some Latino and biker gangs traffic in girls but those numbers are small in comparison.
Are you really suggesting this is a black, muslim, latino problem? The are no white victims, pimps and buyers out there?
Great cause.... bad supporting logic. "As you reduce the demand that raises the price" No no economics 101 is high supply + low demand = lower price.
Demi [wit] and asshton are so trying to appear as viable political candidates. I can't stomache looking at pictures of them. This whole Angelina Jolie as Mother Theresa phase has grown so laughable that it would make a great South Park satire.
get to the point and disscus it over willya plz
A girl who has reached menarche in no longer a girl; she is a young woman. That she is called 'underage' is a legal fiction created to prevent older women from having to compete with the younger ones for husbands. She is mature enough to bring forth children; nature names her 'of age.' Our culture forbids her participation in the biology of our kind because young men and women of that age cannot compete for jobs with which to support a family. So we tell them to wait for 6 or 8 years to realize their biological potential... then castigate them when they do not... so let's not confuse the 'Slavery' issue with the 'underage' issue... teach your daughters (and sons) how to avoid becoming enslaved by those who would use them, then throw them away...
Spoken like a true pedophile!
Statements that stoop to name calling rather than presenting arguments to counter points made are most often made by sub-normal intellects. Would that be you?
ah... and hear is da man. hit puberty and free game. 10 yr old. a 10 yr old CHILD is a woman in your eyes. sick
You're about as well-educated on this point as a gnat. Look at the rate of maternal mortality, infant mortality and genetic defects. Too-young mothering is incredibly high-risk and dangerous to mother and child. Her pelvis is too small. Her eggs aren't mature enough. She is neither mentally nor emotionally prepared for the rigors of pregnancy, childbirth or child rearing. This has nothing to do with competing with older women (a common myth put forward by disgusting perverts) and everything to do with protecting underage, underdeveloped young girls from human PREDATORS who prefer to prey on girls that are too small, weak, shy and powerless to effectively fight them off.
That commercial is just idiotic. People who seek out underaged girls for sex are mentally sick and have abberant personalities. Do you think that a basic ego message of "real men don't do X" will resonate with such people? It seems highly unlikely to me.
This statement in the story body:
"As you reduce the demand that raises the price."
Makes no sense or, more precisely, has the law of supply/demand backwards.
'the video was lousy who puts a chain saw as a statement why noy show a hunter using a pop gun on a bear most of the people buying them are red necks that cant take his time to get a life and find some one worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we are destroying our economy are we not?
Although i have to give props to Mr. Kutcher and the rest of the celebs supporting this campaign, i have to say that i feel the way they are going about it is a little ridiculous. 1st, it seems to me thier trying to be funny. Shaving with a chainsaw, and even the slogan "real men don't buy girls", come on. I wish they could have been a little more serious as Sex trafficing is anything but funny. 2nd, Why have Eva Longoria at the end? She is standing there in tight leather pants and in a sexy voice says "Pierce Morgan is a real man, are you" the last thing they should promote when talking about sex trafficing is sex. 3rd, Mr. Kutcher you are right in saying raising the price lowers demand, but saying lowering demand raises the price is false. Lowering the demand actually lowers the price. Obviously this is silly to point out as i don't really want to haggle over the economics of sex trading, i'm just saying his statement is false. Again, props to everyone giving thier time to this, i just think they are going about it in a very different way then i would have.
The root cause of this problem is personal desire. People make movies, videos, etc to fill a demand; someone desires to look at that. I don’t care how many movies I see that exploit and feature young girls I don’t desire that and it doesn’t make me desire that. We have to get to the root cause of the problem “A persons need to control another, to feel above or better than another, self esteem!” That is evident on these posts about who is an immigrant and who is not. We are all citizens of this planet called Earth. We have to stop with the “I am better than you!” We have to start with empowering and educating these girls all over this world. It is a tragedy that in this day and age women and children are still second class citizens everywhere and that men still feel their self esteem threatened by this. When we change that with education and enlightenment we change everything.
And she didn't buy him and keep him as a sex slave. Yea, right. She is old enough to be his mother and he has his whole life ahead of him. She's needs to release him, and catch another much older fish.
Going after child slavery Demi? This means you need to give up Ashton lol. Which brings up the question, why not include the boys who are drawn, coercied into slavery? This isn't just a female issue.
"Sex trafficking is an elastic trade. If you can raise the price for sex you can actually reduce the demand. As you reduce the demand that raises the price."
Really? If you raise the price, you lower the demand...and if you reduce the demand it raises the price? What sense does that make? Basic economics would state that raising demand raises price, and lowering demand lowers price. This guy, who doesn't know about basic economics....He's going to be in charge of a campaign to end something that has gone on since the beginning of mankind? Something so intricately deep and woven into every society (some more than others), something that needs to be taken seriously and with a lot of force....
He is making a mockery out of THE evil of the world. If he was serious about this, he wouldn't get himself involved except to donate funds and use his money to influence those who do take it seriously.
Ashton and Demi make me sick.
Sex slavery should be legalized. There are too many people living on earth. Put at least some of them to some use. Earth has not enough space for 7 billion of free people. With such a high population density, the majority need to be slaves.
In overpopulated societies th majority will necessarily live in misery, if you call it slavery or not. Having a low-paid job that only permits to eat and sleep and pay off debts is not much different from slavery. So why not legalizing slavery right away? Particularly sex slavery would make life much more enjoyable for many of us.
Oh, for goodness sakes. Get some help.
Mortran-let's start with you. You give up all of your freedoms and become a slave. We could certainly live with fewer people like you. 6,000,000,099.
That's your "7 billion" minus the less than 1% who think sex slavery is a good thing.
I wonder when movie stars will take a stand against problems that happen in their own country.
They are taking a stand in their own country dumb ass.
duh! Ashton and Demi are taking a stand for what is happening in their own country... plenty of underage sex trafficking going on here in the USofA.
These celebrities are true heroes deserving of all our attention.
Yeah, "Real men dont buy girls" is a great motto for guys that have girls of all ages, especially underage ones, practically breaking down their doors for free. Ashton never bought a girl but i am sure he RENTED plenty of them. Are we really supposed to believe that these celebrity men have such high morals that they carded every hooker or pro they ever paid for? I bet not.
I think Ashton likes a little be older... just saying.
A LOT older!!!!!!!!!!!
It's important that the message of child sex slavery gets out. My problem is that the title's focus... "Real Men Don't Buy Girls" is naive and misdirected. While a nice sentiment, one might as well start asking drug cartels to reconsider the errors of their ways. By the time men start buying children for sex, I doubt they're much concerned about their own consciences or others' opinions of their masculinity... to say nothing of Justin Timerberlake's or Demi Moore's. I'd say the title's focus should be about strengthening existing laws and law enforcement resources, perhaps something more along the line of, "Real Men Don't Get Put Away For 120 Years in a Supermax."
His screwed up economic theory aside, who here would stand idly by if they saw children being sold as sex slaves? And do we really need Ashton Cucher's help help bringing awareness? I don't think it is the norm in society to go out and buy sex like you go out and have a beer, and oh if you happen to get served this brand, do not drink it because that company exploits its workers. "Let's boycott buying underage sex workers" is not really an inspiring slogan.
You would be surprised how many turn a blind eye. I was sold for sex by my mother from the age of five and no one ever said boo about it. Not once.
"I have seen guys make that decision to buy sex and when the girl shows up it's not something to brag about but at the same time it's not something anybody considers to be that awful."
I appreciate that he wants to help people out, but he and his wife are clearly out of touch. Most people don't need a celebrity's help to know prostitution is bad. Apparently, this was something he had to learn over time.
Parents should know where their children are. It's their responsibility...not the pimp down the street.....&.. Let's stop pushers with a campaign to stop people from using drugs...."ain't gona happen"
Where's the ribbon, where's the neon-colored rubber bracelet? I want to be cool and trendy! I want to appear aware and concerned; and I want my friends and co-workers to see that I "care" about the latest disposable (after about 3 months) kewl issue!
I'm not disagreeing, child sex slavery is wrong, but don't celebrities sell sex themselves? Okay, maybe not Demi Moore anymore.
It should be called "Real Men Don't Buy Kids" because boys fall prey to this victimization, as well.
Another good idea: Start publishing the photos, names and addresses of all "johns" caught soliciting/trading in child sex slaves. That would put a damper on it, too.
Well said! That's the approach they have taken in Sweden and it has worked very well. Buy criminalizing only the purchasor, it's become too humiliating for johns to engage in the behavior. Government has an obligation to do its best to ensure that all children get to have a childhood.
Ashton Kutcher is an idiot, I mean the cause is good, but his logic is flawed. If you decrease the demand, the price will drop to compensate for lack of demand. Like floppy disks, they're almost free. Ask any economist, his first part is right, increase the price and demand will fall, but decrease demand and the prices will go down.
I think that this article is somewhat of a double standard. It talks of 'real men' not buying sex from girls, which I believe is a great thing, but that's part of the problem; it only talks of men. If Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore both campaign for this cause, shouldn't it be that not only 'real men' but 'real women' don't support the sex slave ring? It it not only girls or women that are victims to sex slavery, there is also boys and men who are forced into it as well. I think that what they are doing is a great cause, really, this is still a very large problem for society and the criminal justice system, but a campaign shouldn't appear to exclude women from supporting the cause, or men from being victims.
I don't think that people that hire under-aged girls for sex are worried about their status as "real men."
it less about making them think poorly about themselves and more about what you and i think about the guy doing it. There is something to be said about peer pressure... it doesn't work 100% of the time but the thought that everyone you know would think you were not a Real Man might be a deterrent in choosing an underage girl when you could just as easily chose one who is just over age. (they will tackle that issue once this is cured.)
Yay, a celebrity is going to "shift" our culture so the American people no longer support child prostitution! Yay! Because America has been totally supportive of child prostitution up until now! Thanks, Ashton and Demi!!!
You know what? I watched that video of Ashton shaving, and did that thing where I put a picture of my own face over his so I could envision myself shaving - like a real man - and darn it, if I didn't suddenly realize I should be shaving, not having sex with children! This changed my views 180 degrees on the issue! Ashton deserves some kind of award for this.
I don't buy girls but I have been known to rent a few.
I do think the problem is rooted in the presentation of women as sexual objects. The sons of men are greatly captivated by what they see.
The above is NOT an attempt to justify child sex abuse BUT a direction to the root cause, calling attention to it so as to curb this culture.
As to the Hollywood couple who attempt to fight this culture, I'm on the line of reasoning that they fuel the engine that runs the machine of child sexual abuse for they propagate the mind-set of perceiving women as sex objects, a la sex idols.
Only God Almighty would eventually rid us of this culture, why, Satan is at the helm, the wicked one dominates the affairs of these times. Until he is ousted, it'll remain. But God is soon to do away with him.
The campaign slogan should be "Real Christian Men Don't Buy Girls...they Rape little Boys!'
Hey Ashton ! Let some of those guys borrow Demi for a few weekends. You could end slavery all by yourself!
I can't stand people who have this crazy idea that you can't work on one problem in the world if their are other problems. Yes there's more important issues than PETA. Yes there's problems abroad and at home. If people shouldn't work to eradicate international slavery abroad because there's issues at home, then maybe you should shun all forms of entertainment and spend every dime of spending cash only on domestic issues until they are all solved.
I don't agree with anyone being forced to be a sex slave but what I don't understand why people are blaming certain people. Hollywood gets the blame, instead of blaming the women who star in the movies. Nickelodeon gets blamed but no one mentions the parents of these 14 year old girls that are allowed by their parents to dress and act the way they do. It's the men who are the ones at fault for some reason but you keep failing to see that women are just as much, if not more responsible. They are the ones staring in movies that are showing young girls its ok to wear makeup and dress a certain way. The rappers and rock stars are at fault for not respecting women when its women who help make them famous and allow them to talk negative about them. Are there women and children forced to do things they shouldn't have to?
YES, but not all women are victims.
I hope they are successful.
I just don't see the point in having Hollywood people tell us that child sex slavery is wrong. I mean, do they think we don't already know that?
men like these are crazy ,and deserve mad punishment ,for abusing the young girls.
You would be amazed at the men who think it is "ok', regardless of their social status or even marital status.Nothing will surprise me anymore.
Can you back up your claim that men think it is ok – or is it that prejudice that men are all just predatory
Hey, Yago: What part of 'illegal' do you not understand? While I agree with you in regard to cleaning our own houses before we attempt to clean others, there are many illegals here that shouldn't be. And there are many legal persons here. Two wrongs don't make a right. But let's end illegal entry into the United States. THEN we can start on ending any other kind.l
OMG, THAT'S Demi?
This is totally a cynical reaction, but I wonder how many child sex traffickers are saying, "Man, Ashton Kutcher hates that we do this. I'm walking away from this life now."
In all seriousness, this is one of the darker problems of society that a lot of people would really turn a blind eye to. Hopefully the star power will help get it into the public consciousness to report suspicious activity.
Why BUY them, when you can RENT them!
My first thought was of Charlie Sheen and having his two whores living with him and him paying for sex for years and people actually paying money to see him actually promote this type of slavery. Those women are slave to him for money, nothing more and nothing less, he is as guilty as all those child sex trafficers they are speaking of, and this clown had the top rated show on television and was paid Millions by the Network. Shame on that network for promoting this drug addict and his lifestyle.
are you serious?
Crazy concept here, but these slaves are being sold in range of prices between $0.50 and $100. Mr. Kutcher recently put his old "bachelor pad" on the market for $1.6 million more than he paid for it, assuming he truly is a humanitarian and not in it just for the publicity then I would say that it would be fair for him to keep $800K as profit on his investment and use the other $800,000 to buy the "freedom" of the people who claims to care so much about. Let's say at an average price of $50 he could afford to purchase freedom for 16,000 people. Though I bet he's got a nice car in mind instead, and the attention (what little there is) this "campaign" will generate.
This is a nice idea but it doesn't actually work. Yes that money saves people, but it also gives money to human traffickers who just go out and buy more people. There is simply to much of a supply of possible trafficking victims. Giving money to these people would only increase the problem.
The point is that most any problem you're faced with can be quashed with the good old dollar (no matter how much people like to say othersise). Spend $800,000 on the people, spend $400,000 on XE (Blackwater) to take care of the problem afterwards, we're in agreement that slavers are scum, so stop the problem at the source. Private money and interest can do a whole lot if these celebutantes acknoledged their status in society and used it to better the world and only get 1 Koenigsegg instead of 2.
Wow, that effiminate little Justin Timberlake shaves! He must be a real man! I'm going to emulate him.
Most of you cant do anything because you have no money or very "little"of it, so just stop bich!ing about these people and get out of the way. There is nothing worse then stolen childhood and dignity, not even death.
Honestly to see people whom I assume are adults carrying out this type of conversation is just sad. If you focused a little less on bashing other people on the internet and more time on focusing on REAL issues we might actually be able to fight problems such as sex trafficking. I find it appalling that you are focusing more on whether or not we're immigrants rather than the issue at hand.
HOW ABOUT: REAL MEN DON'T BUY PEOPLE OF ANY AGE!!!!!
I agree, although I don't think they refer to "buying people" as in trafficking, but instead refer to buying sexual services. In that sense, I don't see how someone would be a lesser man just because he openly, honestly, straight forward, and upfront pay a monetary price for it.
A "man" who pays to rape an underage girl or boy is no man at all. He's pond slime.
JeanV, yes, any man having sex with a child is a scumbag, but what what does that have to do with my comment? Who said anything about children? And who said anything about rape? Both are illegal. You are not winning any points for talking about something else.
"As you reduce demand it raises the price." What kind of economics is that?
I was a Ward of the State of TX at the age of 15. I had an eighth grade education, at the time. I was forced into prostitution by a pimp who pretended to work as a bail bondman and who was also in cahoots with Dallas police officers.
The "Johns" don't care about the victims plight at all. I can't recall how many "Johns" I pleaded to help me get away from my kidnappers.
Unless you've experienced this situation you really can't really know the horrible-ness of the experience. The victimizers justify their actions in trafficking and violence and abuse by blaming the victim and telling her that she "asked for it."
It's all so sick and un-necessary. If the victims really wanted the abuse then why have the kidnapping, threatening, and forced slavery system in place. Why the secrecy? Why all the hiding?
And, as far as I'm concerned, the "general public" is just as sick. They also blame the victim. They stigmatize the victim with the word prostitution - when it's really torture, POW style torture, abduction, slavery, and de-humanizing behavior that is the greatest threat to freedom and liberty.
I'm so sorry to hear your plight. It takes a lot of courage to tell such a history. From what little research there is, it seems this is a very typical way that American girls are exploited in our own country, and within our own systems. You should consider working for some of the amazing groups that work to change laws in this country and/or groups that help girls and women get off the street. A lot of legal activists here in the US have been working for some years to convert to a system like Sweden where only the purchase of sex is a crime. It was criticized when it was put into place but has been a resounding sucess and model for other countries. It's had the effect of making it too dangerous for low life pimps and too humiliating for men who buy sex. In Sweden, people feel that real men don't buy sex at all and that anyone who sells it is likely in a vulnerable position, worthy of assistance – as you were. You have a compelling story and the ability to help change the world for the better as a result of your past pain. I wish all the best to you!
YOU HAVE TO BE A REAL MAN TO RECOGNIZE THAT HAVING 20 MILLION UNACCOUNTED PEOPLE, LIVING IN A SUB-ECONOMY, ALLOWING CORPORATIONS (Military Contractors, Agricultural Industry, Food Industry, Construction, etc. ) TO EXPLOIT THEM THANKS TO THE LACK OF LAWS TO PROTECT THEN IS WRONG!!.
WE CAN GO TO THE WORLD AND "SAVE" THE WORLD WHILE YOUR OWN COUNTRY IS CRUMBLING.
IF YOU WANT TO STOP SEXUAL/CHILD TRAFFICKING PENALIZE THAT MILLIONS OF AMERICANS THAT TRAVEL TO SOUTH EAST ASIA, EAST EUROPE AND LATIN AMERICA AS SEXUAL TURIST. STOP THE PROBLEM AT HOME FIRST,
BE A REAL MEN AN ASK YOUR CONGRESS TO WORK FOR THE NATION, NOT FOR THE CORPORATIONS. THEY ARE KILLING DEMOCRACY PERPETUATING A KLEPTOCRACY.
Good start, but why stop at children? Studies show women in this life usually started young, at the hands of a pimp. Sweden has nearly eliminated traffiking in people of all ages by decriminalizing people who sell sex and only criminalizing people who buy it. They said it would never work, but it's been a smashing sucess. In Sweden, the social attitude is that Real Men don't buy sex at all.
Offer and Demand Right? That same issue with Drugs. More need of them, more production. More need of Oil, more Production. More need to sell weapons, more wars. Simple Economics.
Thanks for you comment, I totally agreed with you.
These types of slavery has been around for decades, and all of a sudden CNN and the Celebs decided they want a piece of the action by speaking out against it? Cmon, please cry me a river, so tell the truth, what is the financial motive behind it?
Do you actually think before you post?
Every bit as futile as the war on drugs. The "problem" will get worse as the economy is destroyed.
o these Celebrities has grown a conscience? Wow, never would have thought in a million years! At least get someone whose more manly than Justin (Metro sexual Girlyman) Timberlake. And talk about stolen Childhood, Nothing worse than having Demi Moore and Ashton boy Kutcher as your spoke persons. Lol!
"If you can raise the price for sex you can actually reduce the demand. As you reduce the demand that raises the price."
Careful here, Kutcher. The difference between "demand" and "quantity demanded" may seem indistingushable to a layman, but in this case the difference becomes crucial, as you will se. You mean that if you raise the price, quantity demanded is reduced. (Fewer will buy at that higher price.) That is correct. Then you turn cause and effect around. Your statement seems logical but isn't, and the reason is your confusion between "demand" and "quantity demanded".
You really meant "quantity demanded" in your first sentence since "demand" in the sense used by economists (and as being different from "quantity demanded") cannot be changed by a change in price. On the other hand, you cannot possibly mean "quantity demanded" in your second sentence because that makes no sense. You cannot reduce "quantity demanded" in any other way but through a change in the price. Thus, you cannot raise the price by reducing "quantity demanded" (because how are you going to then change "quantity demanded" if price is the effect,
and not the needed cause to accomplish that effect?).
The only possible interpretation of your second sentence is if you by "demand" really refer to "demand", and not "quantity demanded" (as in your first sentence). However, "demand" in an economic sense cannot be changed by raising the price, but, hey, let's pretend that would be possible. Unfortunately, you are running out of luck here: A reduced demand causes a LOWER price – not a higher price. The effect is the same with a layman's definition of "demand": If my house is for sale, and nobody wants to buy it (low demand), then I have to LOWER the price until
someone is willing to by it. My house is certainly not going to get more expensive if demand is reduced!
Good cause you are working for, but before you deliver any more statements of economics, make sure they are not both confusing and wrong at the same time! (It makes it such a pain to explain to you what's wrong with it...)
Look at http://www.orange4india.nl to see what real women do about this
The article states:
If you can raise the price for sex you can actually reduce the demand
true, increased prices decreases demand.
The article further states:
As you reduce the demand that raises the price
false, lower demand reduces price.
Finally, the article states:
the way to do that is by attacking the demand because the supply is endless
Well, if the supply is endless and past history has proven their is a demand, then attempting to raise the price to decrease demand is futile.
Please review your econ 101 notes.
Sorry, nice idea, but economic theory will triumph every time.
Of course I am against this horrible problem, but when people misquote economic theory in an attempt to justify their method, I can not remain silent.
How about real men don't EVER pay for sex.
That would eliminate marriage. (Sorry, I just couldn't pass that one up.)
Tell me, Jason, how does equating marriage with prostitution improve our society? Why does posting "jokes" on a thread about trafficking children for sex slavery strike you as appropriate behavior? Do you have a daughter? Would you like her (future) husband to share your attitude and sensitivity to the plight of the children who are being kidnapped and brutally raped while you make jokes? Next time you can't resist the urge to be a cold-hearted brute? Resist it anyway.
"In the United States there are 100,000 to 300,000 American children between 11 and 14 who are vulnerable to being sold for sex every year, according to Shared Hope's 2009 National Report on Domestic Minor Sex Trafficking."
I'm sorry, but those numbers are bullshit. They're probably exaggerated by a factor of five to ten.
Those numbers are actually pretty low. You are Lucky to live in a part of society that does not see this much sex trafficking/child abuse. Just bc you don't see it does not mean it is not there. I was sold for sex in trade for drugs- everyone one of those men who had sex with me (starting at age 5 by the way) was just a 'regular joe' they looked normal, attended church, had families of their own. Open your eyes sir. There are many more of us victims than you can fathom
Very true. Last month, the Village Voice looked into the "100,000 to 300,000 child sex trafficking victims in the U.S." claim and learned that it was utter crap. The "study" was based upon completely bogus science. You can read it about here:
Not surprisingly, the people running many of these nonprofit child sex trafficking organizations are not career social workers or child psychologists or any other social advocates, but rather, their career fields are almost exclusively in – LOBBYING! Child sex trafficking seems to be the new moral panic. Look, I'm all for doing everything to eliminate sex trafficking, but deliberately hyping the problem using bogus statistical methodologies doesn't help the cause at all. It only hurts it by destroying your orhanization's credibility.
There you go America... More Hollywood drop-outs instructing the masses about how to put a little morality into your everyday lives. What next? Rock Stars telling you how to 'Rock the Vote'? Ooooops! Too late.
Let me get this straight... We have former coke-heads and guys that rip camisoles from women and call it a 'wardrobe malfunction' telling us what right and wrong? That will be the day. SO much for the pot calling the kettle black.
why everyone else buys them
technacally, arent you RENTING them? if you "bought" one you would be marrying the girl, right?
Real men don't iron. What each person does for sex is up to them as long as they leave the kids alone and do not do anything to encourage slavery. The phrase 'consenting adults' sums it up nicely.
I don't know anyone who doesn't think having sex with an 11-14 year old girl is immensely creepy. I don't know what kind of screwed up coke-head friends Ashton Kutcher has that this is commonplace and accepted.
Then count yourself as lucky to not know any pedophiles. In my world it's mostly pedophiles.
Why are the young boys always the forgotten victims? There are young boys across the world who are sex slaves as well. Guess our society thinks they deserve it because they are to become oppressive, evil men someday.
Is there a mirror in your house? Go look yourself in the eye and ask yourself, "Why do I hate women?" Go ahead. We'll wait.
Wow Jean. The slope you are on is so slippery, that no one can stand on it. Tell me now how 2+2 =10. Geez, you have issues darling, serious issues that you need help with.
Real men don't buy girls?I guess real men marry older women Ashton.....!
you got to remember these campaigns are designed by desperate older women. They all adore Ashton.
Well I hope this effort is successful, but I don't really foresee many men who are already willing to buy young girls as sex slaves responding to an appeal for decency. Anyone who would do that is devoid of morality, so I'm not sure you could convince them that what they're doing is wrong.
Um... this is a forum about Kutscher and Moore's effort to stop Child Sex Slavery...not a forum to proudly proclaim how proud you are to be a non immigrant.
I applaud the efforts of anybody to effectivly stop injustice. I am not a fan of either of these questionable actors, however, their lack of employment at the moment is being put to gut use. Mr. Kutscher sounds downright on the ball with his arguments: keep up the good work...it is effective and in the right direction.
Regarding the discussions of if and when Mr. Kutscher's economic ideas will or will not work, I remind everyone that just becasue something is hard to do, does not mean it should not be attempted. If there is less demand for the services, then less people will be interested in getting involved pimping children, becasue there is too much competition and not enough business... perhaps I failed eco 101..
The scariest thing about all these discussions is:
1. How quickly the argument turns to a vanity issue of people discussing how good a non immigrant or American they are: HOW VAIN ARE WE?
2. Most amazing is that I assume interested, relativly intelligent people are reading and contributing to this forum... and the volume of sceptism that is evident here is overwhelming... it makes me wonder how we as a society can agree to do anything important...
Ashton Kutcher married his mother. He knows what he's talking about.
Why are so many people so bitter and hateful about this obviously happily married couple's relationship? Forty-three year old men marry women who are 27 all the time. Not a peep out of anyone about it. Reverse the gender and people act like she kidnapped him and held a gun to his head. They're both very attractive, successful ADULTS and they love each other. Why begrudge them their happiness? I'm not a big fan of their work, but that's no reason to hate them or be hateful towards them.
CNN, Kutcher & Demi, with woman also playing the role of kingpins in human trafficking for domestic slaves and sex trade, your campaign slogan of "Real men dont buy girls" definitely needs change to address both men and women as perpetrators & boys and girls as victims, which otherwise to a lay man (more to woman in this case) implies that men are the only perpetrators towards girls.
To quote Ashton saying to CNN "We want to create a cultural shift in the way men and women view young people selling themselves for sex".
Sex is not bad.but not by rape, or underage in the name of prostitutions.
Cradle snatcher, Demi Moore, thinks sex with minors is a bad idea.
Amazing how some of you think the only non-immigrants are Native Americans. That eveyone else is an "immigrant" becuase an ancestor immigrated to the US. I guess most of you don't really study history or you'd know that even Native Americans immigrated to "America" at one point.
I do not in any way mean to demean the work being done for this important cause.
But I must mention – when I first read the title line, 'Real Men Don't Buy Girls', all I could assume was that this piece would be would be about a criticism of the life style of Charlie Sheen, of whom I've read too much about.
Real men buy girls, with necklaces, bracelets, rings, movies, dinner etc..etc..
Slobs with no chance of a real relationship buy girls off the street.
Screw the kids! (literally)
My mother used to sell me or trade me for drugs starting when I was 5 (that's the first I can remember anyway). This lasted until she got cleaned up and off of drugs. I can tell you that all kinds of men 'buy' young girls to have sex with-what I mean is they look like normal, everyday men with families of their own. It's a mistake to think you would be able to tell by looking at some one if they are closet pedophiles or not. When this happens at such a young age you truly start to believe that it's normal for men to always want to have sex with you, even when you are crying and the women glare at you and call you names because you are a 'slut'. I will never forget the way one mans mother looked at me after she found out her 18 year old son had sex with me- I was barely 5 years old. She glared at me and he yelled at me for not keeping it 'our secret'. I still have the occasional nightmare but it's been over 35 years ago. So please, not only do we need to teach that 'real men don't buy girls' we need to teach women not to hate the victims.
I wonder how many of the folks here are underage themselves, considering the ridiculous comments like comparing Demi Moore's age and so on. There is an underlying fact here: The basic premise for relationships here is that if you are under 18, you cannot consent. Talking a 14 year-old does not mean she consents. It is rape. Same for boys. They cannot sign a contract either for the same reason. It requires a guardian.
Quit getting bogged down in the clumsy way the "supply and demand" argument was presented. Quit dragging up how old Mohammed's wife was (How old was Mary? Most estimated her as about 12). That was then, this is now. Sure, sex sells in commercials, but they should be consenting adults. At some point a person with some semblance of values should have alarm bells going off when they see a child, however cute, attractive, etc., being treated as an adult. This is not a particularly high bar for standards in society, but its a darn good start.
First, it is an admirable gesture. Second, only perverts would have something negatively to say. Third, yes, Hollywood does need a major over-haul as well as the Advertising Industry and The TV. Children are be objectified in a sex crazed world. I bet if it was their child or someone close to them that was coerced in to this life style they would be screaming at the top of their lungs. It never hit home until it happens to you. NO CHILD, TEENAGER, or WOMAN should be forced to be someone's commodity! PERIOD. And most prostitutes, (male and female) were abused as kids! GOOGLE for STATS!
Real men don't buy girl's...they RENT them.
Now this is a great initiative, but this is why movie stars need to stick with making movies and not dabble in economics.
Here, for example:
"Sex trafficking is an elastic trade. If you can raise the price for sex you can actually reduce the demand. As you reduce the demand that raises the price."[That means] you can, ultimately, put it out of business, and the way to do that is by attacking the demand because the supply is endless."
The first part is true, though I am not sure how you magically "raise the price" of sex, market forces drive that, not a central sex bank.
If you reduce the demand on a good with the supply remaining equal, the price DROPS. Morever, if you increase the price of a good, even if the market shrinks, you encourage manufacturers (or in this case, pimps and prostitutes) to take advantage of that market. That would lead to more pimps and prostitutes in the market, not less (remember, there is a certain point at which people will sell themselves, remember that Winston Churchill joke?)
To put it out of business, you would have to, in effect, make prostitution so cheap that no one would sell their bodies, not make it so expensive that it would be unaffordable. That would remove the supply.
But wait, Ashton Kutcher tries to make sense here:
"First and foremost is do not participate, either you or your friends. If it's your friend then you say "I don't want to hang out with someone participating in that because you're hurting people."
Wait, nevermind, what he just proposed is going to lower to price of sex, and not raise it like he originally suggest.
Seriously, Hollywood, keep promoting these good causes. Just don't give your 2 cents, because they never make sense.
Remind me again how much older Demi Moore is than her young boy toy?
Don't be a jerk. They are ADULTS. How can u compare the rape of CHILDREN to a marriage between adults???
It breaks my heart to read so many people's comments comparing child rape to a marriage between consenting adults. All that does is passively say that it's not important to protect our children (boys and girls).
What's wrong with you people??
Demi and Ashton never at any time claimed to be perfect, no one is perfect but they ARE saying we need to come together as a community to protect our children. How cold hearted do u have to be to try and change the focus of such an important message.
Since when does someone have to perfect in order to protect our children?? Well?
I have been a victim of child sex since the age of 5 and reading these comments just confirms to me that most people dont care what happens to others as long as it doesn't happen to them or THEIR family.
I want so bad to scream GO TO HELL to all you naysayers and people who are trying to change the focus of this cause. But I can't. All I can do is hope. Hope that there are more people who care than there are cold hearted jerks that don't.
I find it interesting that these celebrities are concerned with selling sex to young adults. That is what they do for a living with their nasty movies and music that sell nothing but sex. I find it hard to believe that this is nothing more than a publicity stunt.
It's not about selling sex to young adults. It's about selling CHILDREN to adults for sex. Big difference.
We're all slaves. Want to stop slavery? Revolt against our banker masters that force us into poverty and debt while our tax dollars pay for their million dollar bonuses.
I find this extremely offensive because it makes light of the fact of the many millions of people who truly are slaves today. You are typing this on a computer which shows you are able to own, or at least find access to a computer, and can read and write. You are already better off than most of the world. To compare your situation to that of slaves is disgusting. We can't even imagine the brutality that comes from working in potentially dangerous and abusive situations for no pay with no freedom to leave. That is slavery, not giving up some of your income for taxes.
One of them probably have a new movie coming out.
Seriously cannot believe the amount of garbage that is posted on here. Let them get on with this noble an much needed cause. Think of all the young children around the world who aren't sitting on their laptops in their plush living rooms, debating and exercising opinion (which by the way is a complete low point here). Some of you need to get your blinkers off. And also remeber you do not live on an island. Bravo DNA. Let the work begin.
You're paying for sex either way. You think you girl's jewelry, clothes, closet full of shoes, makeup, fancy dinners, holiday gifts, car, roof over her head is free? LOL!!! The only dividing line between a paid whore and a wife/girlfriend is the one you imagine.
You are comparing a wife/girlfriend who is with you by CHOICE and likely pays for just as much as you do to a child who has been repeatedly raped and say it's the same????
Wake up! It's sick thoughts like this that enable sex trafficking!!
When u buy a gift for your partner I would like to think it's bc you love them and not bc you are thinking it is payment for sex. So, with this line of thinking when your girlfriend/wife buys you a present then it must be a 'penalty payment' for hooking up with a douche.
Get real. Paying someone to be able to rape a child is NOT the same thing as buying a gift for an intimate partner. And if, in your mind, it is the same then please sign up at your local sex offender registry.
For the person who posted:
Real Men Realize...
Many men confuse Love and Lust like you are doing. God's kind of Love is directed toward others not inward toward our selves. It is truly not selfish. Lust is only wanting to take care of our own sexual desires, money problems or because we are lonely and does not care about others. Yes we may do things for the person we lust after but that is because we want sex, money or friendship in return. That is being selfish.
I give gifts, take ladies to dinner etc because i enjoy their company, sharing interests and their friendship. I do the same with my close male friends. you are using your money, friendship etc. to buy sex nothing more. Be a real man with compassion, caring and love for others and stop being selfish.
There are a lot of perverts on this string who have given their minds over to base and sordid thoughts. Nothing they write is beneficial to anyone.
We need to do all we can to stop sickos like this from continuing to enslave an torture our children, and propose it as a good thing.
I for one look forward to seeing the real men stand up for their women, their children, their own human (God-given) dignity. Stop the evil men and protect the minds of the next generation of men before they are lost in this hopeless cycle of selfish discontent-abuse-victimization. Take back our humanity!
We all look forward to the day when the truth matters and is heard over lies.
You are correct about stop buying women women for sex. Here in Thailand and many other countries lets look at the real problem. There is no child support laws so husbands and boyfriends have children with their partners and leave home for another woman as the don't want the financial responsibility to take care of their offspring. This leaves the women to find enough money to take care of their children. Most of these girls are from poor rural areas so their parents can't help out. I have talked to several people running for government offices about having a child support law. The women running for office are interested but said they would loose an election if they even mentioned it. The men running for election would not even listen or talk to me about the subject, they just walked away or told me to leave. If there was a child support law 90% of the women in the sex trade in Thailand would be able to live in their villages, work their parents fields or a minimal paying job as they have only a limited education. Living here for more than 20 years I know for a fact dead beat dads is the reason for most of the sex trade in Thailand.
Well, finally someone who appears to know something about Thailand. The hystericals rants of 12 year old girls marketed on the streets is just BS and anyone who has been there knows that.
Thailand certainly has its political and cultural problems. Having a Thai wife, I know many Thai women, who are not prostittutes and never have been. Many are professional women with jobs and educations. They got there because they refrained from sex before marriage. Many Thai women are virgins on thier wedding day. That is no longer the case in America.
These sucessfull Thai women did not endulge in a counterculture of casual sex before marriage. Does that phrase sound familiar? Like a movie, starring Demi Moore, called "Casual Sex". This was one of her many steamy sexually charged movies from the 80s and 90s where Demi used her sex appeal to gain fame and popularity only to turn against men later with her hatred.
I have heard Demi Moore talk. She exploited her own sex appeal as a teenager to gain fame. Now she comes out in a hypocritical stance against it and with tremendous hatred against all men....the same people she appealed to as a teenager.
The arrests and conviction numbers just dont support the wild estimates state here. Where are the busts, arrests, and convictions. Reminds me of the Super Bowl deal where they warned of all this child exploitation at the Super Bowl. I did not hear of a single arrest or bust. Not one.
Without some some real numbers.....or a willingness to acknowledge real numbers.....these estimates are sensationalistic.
These "real" men or "real Americans" comments always remind of Sarah Palin going to a small town and saying how great it was to be here with "real Americans". I guess she did not realize what that meant for everyone else who lived elsewhere.
Exactly. It is like Elliot Spitzer who championed trafficking laws in New York as he was violating federal laws against it privately. These poeple just use the issue for thier own gain.
For some reason, my replies to particular comments is not working.
So now, not only the United States is the #1 drug consumer, but it is also shapping up to be the #1 sex traffic conumer???
There needs to be a huge differentiation made between slavery, child abuse and prostitution. It is all well and good for people who earn more in one year than most of the world will earn in ten lifetimes to work to stop prostitution. How about the people whose choice, if they even can get it, is to work in a factory for 80 hours a week, with no breaks for meals or toilet for 100 bucks a month or work as a prostitute for which they can earn the same in a few hours? In Thailand, the most beautiful of the rural poor are sent by their families to the tourist areas to sell themselves, often so that the male children can get an education and provide for the family later. Yes, it is a terrible situation but the problem is not selling sex, it is a world where the privileged spend more on a meal out at Spago than a whole family in a third world country spends on food for month. If everyone who earns more than $1 million a year gave 10% of their accumulated wealth and 10% of their income for 10 years, every starving child in the world could be sponsored through established charities like Save the Children, World Vision, and Children Intl. With the current financial state of the people involved and their families, prostitution is often the only means to avoid destitution, squalor, misery and sometimes starvation.
I have proposed a plan to catch over 4,000 child molesters in one fell swoop to Interpol, the FBI and other law enforcement agencies. They have ignored me even though the odds of total success are close to 100%. Anyone from a verifiable organization can contact CNN.com for my email address and we can get this done.
The FBI is hungry for media attention and there nothing like sex or child sex to get that done. If you plan had any hope, they would do it.....and would have already done it.
Would LOVE to see Demi & Ashton come along side groups who have been in the trenches battling this horrible problem for YEARS. Who can get a message to them, Facebook or another social media avenue? They should check out ministries like Business for Orphans & The Voice who take these women and children off the street, protect them from PIMPS and give them a way to get an education and earn a living so they never have to return to those circumstances. http://www.businessfororphans.org, http://www.houseofabundantlife.org, http://www.thevoicetvnetwork.com
Sure, real men who, although they have no real talent, get paid millions of dollars to act like twats and have women standing in line to share their celebrity. Everyone else either has to spend a fortune taking a woman out hoping for boring sex, or just eliminate the mind games and endless hassle, and pay one for good company, laughter and great fun. Like a wise man once said: I don't pay them for sex; I pay them to leave in the morning!" I know women in Nevada who make over a quarter of a million dollars a year. There needs to be a distinction made between fighting against prostitution and fighting against child slavery (perpetrators of which need to be publicly castrated, whipped and then imprisoned for life)
The Good Book says to those whom much is given, much is expected.
Gotta love these two for not keeping it to just mansions, swimming pools and fancy cars!
Considering that Demi married a much younger man who is she to talk
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"Real men don't buy girls"... That's stupid. VERY few men – percentage wise – ever buy a human being (trafficking). That's like saying "real men don't murder". On the other hand, if it refers prostitution, then it is equally silly. Real men – just about every fertile, heterosexual man – "buy girls" all the time. Every time a man buys a diamond ring to a woman, or pays for their dinner out together, he buys access to that woman, whether it be half-way or all the way to bed. Women want to be bought, but they put it in different words. If this wasn't true, women wouldn't care so much about a man's income.
And if we are talking about ordinary prostitution, than I don't see anything not "real" about it as long as the man pays the agreed-upon price, and treats her with respect, dignity and care, whatever is realistic to the situation at hand. Today, lots of women too are buyers in prostitution, often in the Carribean or Africa, and I apply the same standards to them. They are also "real" (women). A service is a service, and as long as the seller isn't forced into it, then one must respect her or his choice to sell. Real men treat others with fairness and dignity, but they also don't bullshit around with terms like "real men", making moral judgments on adult people's consensual sexlife.
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